barrelracer
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:19:50 AM
I got an email today I have recieved before but it is beginning to bother me.
"Hi, my son got on the computer and won this. I would like to forget this transaction. "
What would you as a parent do in this case?
I would tell Little Johnny that since he created the new ID and bid and won (Buy It Now) now he will have to pay for the item.
Why don't parents make children accept responsibility for their actions anymore?
The ebay ID is already not registered. All I can do here is file for final value and suck up the rest of the fees.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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revvassago
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:23:19 AM
How can the eBay ID already be not registered? eBay won't cancel an ID until 60 days after the last transaction if it is requested by the user....
As a seller, I wouldn't believe this one.
Sounds like a bidder trying to get out of a transaction.
I would hold them to it. If they refuse, all you can do is file the NPB and FVF
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dottie
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:25:04 AM
NOBODY else has my eBay password.
That parent is RESPONSIBLE for not keeping their password secure within their own home!
I'd be ANGRY at the registered (now UNregistered) user!
If THEY are not responsible with their eBay account, how on earth can they teach their children a lesson in responsibility?
*sigh*
- Dottie 
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tomwiii
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:25:58 AM
Reply with:
"I know how ya feel! My dog just got on the PC & sent you a NEGATIVE!"
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barrelracer
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:26:47 AM
I don't know, maybe the parent wrote to ebay and told them it was an underage bidder and ebay NARU'ed it so they can't use it.
But I want to know if everyone just lets their kids off. Seems like I have been getting these more and more.
I just finally FVF a ebayer with over 50. She wrote and said she knew nothing about it (won't go into all the warnings) but she paid to save her feedback.
What do most parents do?
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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barrelracer
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:27:43 AM
It sounds like the child created the ID and password.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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barrelracer
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:30:39 AM
I think this is probably a teenager and it sounds like the parent could care less about ebay.
It is a good thing I don't have kids I guess.
I would have to know where they are all the time.
They would not be allowed to swear.
They would have to be responsible.
They would treat adults with respect.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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cabledogii
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:33:59 AM
I beleive that children won't learn responsibility unless it is taught to them. If it were one of mine, I would make the payment. Then I would make my son/daughter work it off for about .50 and hour or so.
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dottie
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:47:40 AM
tomwiii: ROTFLMAO!!! I love that response!! *giggle*
Hey barrelracer... maybe tomwiii will loan ya the DOG for this situation! *wink*
Dottie
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mrspock
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:52:13 AM
barrelracer
I have two kids boys 18 and 20
would have to know where they are all the time... well I have eased up a bit at there ages but a sure did first 18 years
They are not be allowed to swearI \ am sure they do with there freinds but not at home in my hearing
They are responsible.they are and i am proud of it
They would treat adults with respect. one cavet here they do treat adults who deserve it with respect but they have been tought to stand up for themselves
I have gotten calls from both my sons "hey dad whats your ebay password I want to bid on something"
they have both won auctions and paid for the items
I would certainly feel obligated to pay for anything they bought and they would pay me I garantee.
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Capriole
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posted on June 24, 2001 10:01:45 AM
Well...Vulcans are known to have well mannered children!
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wrightsracing
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posted on June 24, 2001 10:39:15 AM
I had this email sent to me last night, after I sent a reminder of payment, auction closed 6-12-01, IM SORRY, IM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE HAT, MY 7 YEAR OLD DID
THIS WITHOUT ASKING, SORRY FOR ANY TROUBLE THIS MAY HAVE CAUSED!
I went straight to ebay and filed for no NPB, and will send a neg to the parent. I have a 7 yr old, he gets on the computer, goes to ebay, BUT knows he is NOT aloud to BID on anything. !!!!!!!!! he looks at the pictures, makes a wish list and that is what it is a WISH list. I set the rules, and he obey's them, This parent will maybe set a few after getting a neg for a $5.00 hat.
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susan1232
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posted on June 24, 2001 11:08:18 AM
I find it amazing that a parent couldn't come up with $5.00 to pay for that auction. How is it your fault that her kid bid without asking? Equally amazing is that her 7 year old knows her password?? You've got to be kidding me.
My kids are 20 and 26. They don't even know my password. And if they did, they had better not use it without asking me first.
In answer to the earlier question what you you do as a parent-I'd pay for the item and then take the cost of it out of my kid's hide. <g> (and before anyone wants to call the social workers in on me-that was a joke)
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barrelracer
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posted on June 24, 2001 11:08:53 AM
<<Sorry for any trouble this may have caused>>
Same thing I got. I think that got me the most.
I picture these kids at 17 in an accident.
"He took the car without my permission.
Sorry for any trouble this might have caused. "
Or at 21
"I never taught him respect so he robbed your house. Sorry for any trouble this might have caused. "
No, they aren't sorry. You know this and I know this.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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sonsie
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posted on June 24, 2001 11:20:12 AM
We had a similar situation, not involving eBay. Our son ran up a huge charge on AOL (we had the hourly rate at that time, because we hardly ever used it). We paid the bill, and then he had to pay us back (partly in cash and partly by working around the house).
He got the lecture of a lifetime, my husband changed his password, and shortly after that our son got his own computer...and HE paid for his own AOL access.
No matter how the kid in this story managed to bid and win that item, as a parent I would cover the cost and follow up with appropriate punishment/paying back for the kid.
It's quite possible that an older child could have registered as a buyer without a parent's knowledge, even though this is supposed to be forbidden unless the person is 18 or over. If that's the case, I'd opt for punishment involving restriction from using the computer at all for some period of time. Otherwise, IMO the child shouldn't know your password at all, and if for some reason he or she does, you're going to have to keep a very close eye on how it's used.
Bottom line: parents are responsible for their kids' actions (at least until they reach majority), and parents are also responsible for teaching their kids proper behavior.
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revvassago
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posted on June 24, 2001 11:39:51 AM
as far as knowing passwords is concerned, IE has the password AutoComplete which automatically enters my username and password when I click on the password box.
I just tend to be skeptical and not believe anyone. Especially if they are bidding on other items of the same type
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sharkbaby
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posted on June 24, 2001 12:17:10 PM
And, realistically speaking, the ADULT has legal responsibility for any actions of the underaged person for whom they are the legal guardian.
I say this as an aside to the fact that I think the 'buyer' is probably lying!
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RichieRich
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posted on June 24, 2001 12:31:33 PM
My 11 yr old daughter did bid on 3 items one day.
I left my office for a few minutes, she was playing on the other computer and I never had a problem before. I returned to the room and heard - "you got mail". I looked and apparently I had bid on 3 items!
She left the room and went to her room immediately. She knew she did wrong and was caught! I emailed 2 of the auctions which were for game boys and she had a brand new one. They had days left, I canceled the bid and emailed the sellers within minutes of the bid being placed. The 3rd auction was for plastice gameboy cases, which she thought was games (she only had one game). I emailed the seller and explained what she did and I paid the seller on time. She in turn had to pay me as she earned the money....very slowly. Good thing this was a $7.00 transaction and not hundreds of $.
I immediately changed passwords and no longer have the computer automatically enter the password in on any sights now. I learned my lesson and she learned hers!
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jandel
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posted on June 24, 2001 02:08:38 PM
My 16 year-old brother buys on eBay all the time. I have no clue as to how he registered on his own - don't you have to have a credit card to register? When I first found out I was miffed but now (over a year later) his feedback is nearing a hundred and he's never been late or missed a payment. Wish all my adult buyers were as conscientuous.
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on June 24, 2001 03:25:42 PM
My 10-year-old daughter did some bidding once. I paid - and she paid me
It is not the seller's problem that it happened - it is my daughter's.
It was a nice lesson on economics, too
BECKY
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kennycam
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posted on June 24, 2001 08:50:01 PM
We had an auction closed last week and sent out the EOA notice within 4 hours. It was won by someone with 0 feedback during a bidding war. 24 hours after we sent the EOA, we got this email
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I WAS WRITING DUE TO MY CANCEL ON THE EBAY AD FOR HIGHEST BIDDER,
ABOUT TEN MINUTES BEFORE THE AUCTION I EMAILED IN TO CANCEL MY BID
BECAUSE MY SON IS THE ONE WHO BIDDED ON THE EBAY AD.
IT APPEARED YOU WOULD INSTALL THE OPITIONAL
CD ROM ON THE COMPUTER IF SOMEONE WANTED IT. I RECENTLY BOUGHT A COMPUTER AND THERE AD SAID CD ROM OPITIONAL AND THEY DID IT FOR NO ADDITIONAL FEE. AND YOUR EMAIL SAID IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 40.00
I NOTICED YOU WERE SELLING SEVERAL OF THESE MACHINES, MY NAME WAS SUPPOSE TO BE REMOVED.
THANK YOU
THANK YOU !!! HAVE A NICE DAY !!!!
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We checked the bidder’s history and found that she had placed bids on several computers and decides to pick the best bargain.
We are giving her 10 days to send payment, if not, NEG. We do not give negatives for NPB, but this one started blaming it on her son, while telling us that she had gotten a better deal elsewhere. The NEG is for lying.
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kittykittykitty
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posted on June 24, 2001 09:09:04 PM
if i had a child and s/he somehow got ahold of my password and bid, i'd pay for the item and make sure s/he paid me back. he or she wouldn't get the item until it was paid for. possibly i'd add on more time before getting the item as a clear 'it isn't okay to use anyone's password without their permission' message. if i didn't use that as the message, it'd be something else. it's not okay. ever. but a child won't know that unless i tell them.
if it were a really high-priced item, i'd email the seller, apologize profusely, offer to pay all the fees, add a little something else in for their trouble, assure them i've taken steps so this will never happen again, and hope to god they understand.
if the ebay id has low feedback, or they're only a buyer, possibly they don't understand the seller has to pay fees when something like this happens. i'd explain it to make sure they do. nicely.
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caravaggio
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posted on June 25, 2001 10:48:30 AM
I think I had a child bidder a few months ago. I had up a PS2. He used BIN for $400. Didnt pay, when I told him I waas requesting FVF his only response was "OK". I think if your child bids and you find out you should at least pay the listing fee if nothing else.
[email protected]
Caravaggio/confusedandsleepy are not my names at eBay.
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llama_lady
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posted on June 25, 2001 11:02:13 AM
Until a child is 18 years of age, the parent is responsible for the actions of that child. This person is teaching her child that they can in fact do something and get away with it without claiming any responsibility. I am sick of people that will not take responsibility for their own actions and in this case that of their 7 yr old who is in their care. AND based on some of the wild excuses heard you really do not know if she is telling the truth. What the heck is a 7 yr old doing with her password?
I would send a cut and paste from the ebay rules on completion of transactions. Along with this note state you are going to file a NPB then give her to a certain date and if payment isn't received by then, neg her. When she negs you back (and she probably will) just state the facts; would not honor auction.
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barrelracer
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posted on June 25, 2001 08:52:11 PM
Looking back on the replies, I think that I probably could have written a nicer email reply to this adult than I did.
Remember, I'm not the seller with the 7 year old bidder!
If this adult had not a clue about ebay then they might not have understood about listing fees and FV fees.
I explained that this "error" by their child cost me money, but rather shortly.
I don't hold much hope for people that offer to pay the costs only, twice this has happened to me and twice no money ever showed up.
But I could have explained so they would understand the whole situation and why I was upset with them a little less abruptly than I did.
The mistake I made here was naturally assuming that this adult knew the charges associated with ebay.
It is possible they did not.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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sharkbaby
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posted on June 25, 2001 08:56:54 PM
kennycam, IMO, you should have made that 'buyer' pay DOUBLE for using the word bidded in his email to you!
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jt-2007
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posted on June 26, 2001 12:36:49 AM
My child does bid on ebay. She gets consent before bidding. She would not dream of bidding without our knowledge. She pays promptly either with a MO or with PayPal.
She sells with consent on ebay with parent registered ID. She packs the item the moment it gets a bid and ships it on her own immediately upon receipt of the payment.
Recently she sold an item, could not collect, the bidder admited he is twelve years old. She was disappointed and completely baffled as to why he would do this. She is also 12.
We are full-time sellers and homeschoolers. She understands what it means to sell and pay and what it's like when someone doesn't. She knows how hard we work for what we have.
Don't judge all kids by these examples. If they abuse it, I am all for immediate suspension. If they are responsible, they are welcome to buy from me/sell to me as oft as they like.
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