celebrityskin
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posted on July 30, 2001 07:31:34 PM
Was playing around with some cds starting at a penny.
Just to see what would happen.
One ended at .01.
The thing I noticed was I didn't pay any final value fee.
So... when I see a dutch auction for a .01.. and shipping at $5.95...
Does that mean those sellers are not paying any final value fee?
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mballai
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posted on July 30, 2001 07:40:02 PM
That'll work! And I had asked eBay. They really don't have an issue with stuff going for chump change and $15.00 shipping. Actual auctions. So if you must you'll get the blessing from San Jose.
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dman3
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posted on July 30, 2001 07:40:42 PM
You were suprised to see no FVF ????
Just how would ebay charge you 2.5% of a cent and how will you pay them with 1/2 of a malroboro mile ????? 
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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JMHO2
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posted on July 30, 2001 07:49:42 PM
mballai, go back and read the rules and regs on the site. They very plainly say you cannot charge excessive s/h and a small bid as it's fee avoidance.
Celebrityskin ~
I sure hope you don't plan to ship that CD for more than the .65 it takes to mail it in an envelope.
Not a good time of year to experiment with penny auctions ~ wait til around Christmas season.
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celebrityskin
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posted on July 30, 2001 07:53:48 PM
"You were suprised to see no FVF ????"
Well.. this is first time I have had an auction end so low. Never gave it much thought before now.
I figured Ebay would have to get their cut some how.
As for the auction itself, I made a mistake and listed it for 3 days... over the weekend!! That was a mistake!! Haha.
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MrBusinessMan
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posted on July 30, 2001 08:44:12 PM
I sure hope you don't plan to ship that CD for more than the .65 it takes to mail it in an envelope.
Why not? I charge actual shipping, NOT actual postage. My actual shipping costs tend to run around 4 times the actual postage cost. And of course I pass that cost on to the customer. To do otherwise would be foolish.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on July 30, 2001 08:49:57 PM
I sure hope you don't plan to ship that CD for more than the .65 it takes to mail it in an envelope.
You mean to say there is some sort of formula which relates the ending price to the shipping cost that sellers are required to use? Could you post that information?
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Microbes
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posted on July 30, 2001 08:54:39 PM
I sure hope you don't plan to ship that CD for more than the .65 it takes to mail it in an envelope.
I would hope it wasn't just placed in an envelope. I would also expect to pay more than 65 cents for s&h.
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kerrigirl
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:07:19 PM
Hmmmm...
Someone should tell ebay's TOP CD seller, whom we ALL know here at AW, that charging $2.50 and above for their one cent cds is EXCESSIVE shipping.
It costs MORE than $.65 to ship a cd, considering a CD in an bubble envelope or cardboard mailer weighs 4 to 5 ounces, meaning it would be a minimum of $1.03 shipping USPS 1st class mail. You don't ship cds media mail if you want to see them uncracked and sometime to the buyer within 6 months. Then you have the cost of mailers, and labeling. Not to mention some sellers use third party shipping services such as MBE, which charges even more handling on top of that.
Honestly, I don't see how ebay can do ANYTHING about excessive shipping charges if they are clearly stated in the auction listing. There isn't a formula, just a general guideline ebay uses.
This has been a debate for a long time. Shipping is a clear amount, but its the handling that the seller has to calculate. Some of us have to calculate part-time workers into that handling fee.
There is also another thing. What is the difference between a $.01 cd and a $500.00 cd? If the $500.00 (2000 server without manual) cd's shipping was $25.00 no one would say a thing. But if you charged $25.00 for a $.01 cd that would be against the rules. But say that's what you want for the cd?
My point has always been the same. Listing a product at $.01 doesn't mean the shipping should be cheaper. 99.9% of the sellers EXPECT the cd to go for MORE than $.01, that is just the STARTING bid. No one would complain too much if you charged $5.00 shipping and offered a cd for say $79.00, or even $29.00.
About the only way ebay could POSSIBLY be ACCURATE on their goal is to know the WEIGHT and SIZE of every single ITEM on EARTH, and know EXACTLY what you are offering. Now you tell me how this is possible?
Then you should also ask half.com, and a few other ebay owned and sponsored sellers about their "low shipping rates."
TO conclude my ranting here... If the buyer doesn't agree with the shipping charge when its CLEARLY stated on the ebay auction listing, then they SHOULD NOT BID. Period. That is their choice. Obviously a seller with excessive shipping charges will probably not last long.
Ebay will get their money, even with some fee avoidance. The longer the seller exists, the more they make.
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Eventer
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:13:21 PM
To pick up with the ranting..exactly WHO will make the decision of what is and isn't EXCESSIVE shipping?
Every looked at the fine print on those TV ads for tapes and CDs? Everyone from Slim Whitman to Yanni charges almost a minimum of $6.99 shippng and handling.
Compared to them, $5.95 is a BARGAIN.
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Microbes
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:15:56 PM
Someone should tell ebay's TOP CD seller, whom we ALL know here at AW, that charging $2.50 and above for their one cent cds is EXCESSIVE shipping
She's here tonight. Should someone go tell her? <evil grin>
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:17:51 PM
Everyone from Slim Whitman to Yanni charges almost a minimum of $6.99 shippng and handling.
Yes, but the question is... How much of that $6.99 is shipping and how much is handling? 
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Eventer
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:23:01 PM
How much of that $6.99 is shipping and how much is handling?
What a dumb question! It's ALL shipping. After all, WHO would want to actually HANDLE a Yanni tape?
edited for correct punctuation!
[ edited by Eventer on Jul 30, 2001 09:23 PM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:27:23 PM
It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it...
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Eventer
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:29:05 PM
Ewwwwwww! 
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:30:50 PM
Or you could do PR work for payPal instead... 
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Microbes
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:32:51 PM
Ya'll stop that. I almost spit coke all over my keyboard. 
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mballai
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:34:56 PM
I know what the RULES "SAY" but if you ask SAFEHARBOR when someone ships CDs for over $10, it's just FINE. So feel free to do it and make a bundle. One guy was dutch auctioning new CDs with shipping in excess of $10 and the CDs were a buck or less. If they can't determine fee avoidance like that....
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Eventer
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:36:06 PM
Or you could do PR work for payPal instead
Sorry, never learned how to say "I am not a crook!" with a straight face.
Hey, I know who'd make a good PR person for PayPal..Bill Clinton.
"I SWEAR, I never had sex with that chargeback."
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:39:22 PM
I suppose it depends on what the meaning of "chargeback" is.
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Eventer
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:47:06 PM
Well, if Bill had ever gone on TV saying he "wasn't going to give back the dog", we'd atleast figure he was referring to Hillary. 
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mballai
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posted on July 30, 2001 09:47:41 PM
Bill is only in charge of the fondl...I mean handling.
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cdnbooks
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posted on July 31, 2001 03:37:57 AM
...what a thread to pick first thing in the morning....
I'm was going to change my listings to "shipping and fondl...." but my wife said I'd have to lower the fee.
Bill
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Eventer
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posted on July 31, 2001 05:59:33 AM
Still shipping via "small packet", huh Bill?
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cdnbooks
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posted on July 31, 2001 06:10:31 AM
...ahem....
Bill
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celebrityskin
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posted on July 31, 2001 06:11:14 AM
I charge $3 for one cd... if they will more I will naturally give them a pretty big break.
I've sent out over a 1000 cds, and never once have I had someone complain.
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ahc3
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posted on July 31, 2001 12:45:20 PM
I've been selling lots of CD's lately (although not on Ebay), not sure where you came up with 65 cents.
I purchased bubble mailers in bulk on sale, 250 for $25 including shipping - Not bad at 10 cents each. Postage (I don't send media mail, and that costs $1.33 anyway) is either $1.26 or $1.49 - If you wanted to insure, that can be anywhere from 50 cents (U-PIC) to $1.10 for USPS - Then there are other costs to take into consideration, packing tape, paper, going to post office, etc. These are all related to shipping. That 65 cents is now more like $2.50
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bluepaloma
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posted on July 31, 2001 09:18:45 PM
ah3-
Where are you getting bubble mailers that cheap? Also what brand and size are they?
David
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ahc3
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posted on August 1, 2001 12:05:11 AM
I purchased them at bubblefast.com - I'm not affiliated with the site, or profiting from mentioning them here. They just had good prices, and are running a sale so the size 00 mailers are about 10 cents each with shipping.
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robnzak
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posted on August 1, 2001 07:31:34 AM
Everyone from Slim Whitman to Yanni charges almost a minimum of $6.99 shippng and handling.
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