greybiscuit
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posted on September 2, 2001 10:00:23 PM new
Hello,
O' thou who art more knowledgable than I. I am about to go insane having looked twice through every reference I have and not having found these marks!!! Any silver specialists out there that can help?
Pathetically grateful...
greybiscuit
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greybiscuit
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posted on September 2, 2001 10:02:14 PM new
Oh phooey...
now why didn't that picture link work?
off to find THAT out...sigh.
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MichelleG
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posted on September 2, 2001 10:03:43 PM new
hi greybiscuit,
the Message Center uses UBB not HTML. Next time, use [*img]theURLhere[*/img] (without the *)
Michelle
[email protected]
[ edited by MichelleG on Sep 2, 2001 10:05 PM ]
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greybiscuit
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posted on September 2, 2001 10:50:51 PM new
THANK YOU Michelle!
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iowaantiques
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posted on September 3, 2001 05:35:55 AM new
greybiscuit
I'm not a silver expert, but I'm happy to contribute my bit of misinformation.<G>
In my copy of Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers, Rainwater, 4th ed,
on page 161 there is one mark, "WH" in an oval, that is attributed to Walter Hunold of Providence, RI 1903-1925. There is a very, very slight possiblity that this is the maker.
I am inclined to believe that the other marks
are ersatz, that is the marks have no legal standing or meaning of any sort and are added to impress the buying public when the silverplate was new. I've had many pieces with ersatz marks go through my hands over the years and I've wished that they had "real" marks. The silverplate is perfectly respectable, but some people are easier to sell to if you can make an attribution.
[ edited by iowaantiques on Sep 3, 2001 07:09 AM ]
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mkreynolds
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posted on September 3, 2001 06:03:48 AM new
Morning greybiscuit...
There's an online encyclopedia of silver marks, too, that I've found helpful on occasion.
http://www.silvercollecting.com/
Mary
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bitsandbobs
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posted on September 3, 2001 06:08:41 AM new
Another possibility is Walker & Hall of Sheffield, England.
They were prolific manufacturers of plated flatware and exported worldwide.
I don't have my reference book to hand to confirm this but it could be another clue for you.
Bob, Downunder but never down.
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ragmop
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posted on September 3, 2001 06:30:35 AM new
On page 163 of the above mentioned silver book is a listing for Wm. Hutton & Sons Ltd. Their trademark of crossed arrows is also shown, however the book shows sets of 3 arrows crossed where your image shows sets of 4 arrows.
I would interpret the marks as follows:
WH &S = Wm. Hutton and Sons,
E P = electroplate,
AA = amount of silver deposited.
As Iowaantiques mentioned these are not hallmarks in the true meaning, they were just company names made to look like real hallmarks.
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iowaantiques
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posted on September 3, 2001 07:05:53 AM new
Whoops! I stopped looking too soon. I agree with ragmop.
[ edited by iowaantiques on Sep 3, 2001 07:07 AM ]
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MurphyBird
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posted on September 3, 2001 07:44:08 AM new
While we are on silver today, I have a covered bowl with this mark:
Any ideas?
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ragmop
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posted on September 3, 2001 08:04:00 AM new
On page 116 of Rainwater’s book there is a listing for Friedman Silver Co. Inc. Brooklyn, NY. They were creators of fine holloware since 1908, bought by Gorham in 1960. Your mark and several others are shown.
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MurphyBird
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posted on September 3, 2001 08:13:46 AM new
Ragmap, thank you for your help - I think I will have to get this book you are referring to! Anyone on enlgish marks that you can recommend?
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ragmop
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posted on September 3, 2001 08:39:50 AM new
MurphyBird - I’m not sure it’s still in print but I use “The Book of Old Silver” by Seymour Wyler, its not the easiest to use but has a lot of info on pre 1900 English and European silver and gold.
ONLINE you might try; http://www.collectiques.net/hallmarks/
[ edited by ragmop on Sep 3, 2001 08:43 AM ]
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packer
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posted on September 3, 2001 09:17:14 AM new
Hi,
Not to stray to far off the originators question, I have one of my own.
I have a piece here that has "1847 ROGERS BROS IS" the IS is in a square.
What does the IS stand for?
Is this piece Sterling Silver or Silver Plate?
Thanks,
packer
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MurphyBird
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posted on September 3, 2001 09:18:43 AM new
IS = International Silver Company. I recently sold some flatware that had this mark.
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greybiscuit
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posted on September 3, 2001 09:31:56 AM new
THANK YOU ALL for your input. I am inclined to agree with ragmop. I thought the mark she was referring to as an "e" was a b but now I see that "ep" clearly.
To answer MurphyBird...I have found just about EVERYTHING in Jackson's Hallmarks, pocket edition even...it is even paperback and was very affordable. Edited by Ian Pickford...I don't remember where I got it but I'm sure Amazon would have it.
Thank you again!
Best,
Greybiscuit
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ragmop
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posted on September 3, 2001 09:32:30 AM new
1847 ROGERS BROS is a trade name for International Silver Co. silverplate. They developed their plating process in 1847.
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packer
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posted on September 3, 2001 09:40:50 AM new
OK...thanks alot!
packer
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