posted on September 3, 2001 11:56:26 AMSalvia divinorum -- "divine sage" -- is a plant with potent hallucinogenic properties (Salvinorin A) which produce effects in humans similar to those of peyote. Traditionally cultivated by Mazatec shamans in Oaxaca, Mexico, this plant has found its way to the U.S., AND to eBay! (A simple search at eBay for "salvia divinorum" will yield results -- check the completed auctions for high bids... they're, well, HIGH!)
Although the DEA says it's "aware" of this plant's growing popularity, at present there are no U.S. sanctions or laws against its importation, cultivation or distribution, and a multitude of Salvia divinorum websites have sprung up -- all of them selling everything from seeds to smokeable leaves by the kilo.
With eBay's long history of banning items that don't have a "community" flavor, one wonders how they let "divine sage" slip through. Perhaps the first instance of eBay being linked to the sale of this drug to a minor who had a "bad trip" will spur them to action...
posted on September 3, 2001 12:18:22 PM
The sellers of this should thank you for the publicity. It is a legal item and the DEA doesn't seem too concerned, so why should ebay ban a legal item? They're just a venue.
posted on September 3, 2001 12:27:46 PM
Hey, kiawok, I know that masked man! Waving HI to IM...
litlux, an item's legality has seldom -- if ever -- prevented eBay from deeming it "unsuitable" for sale on its site. Guns are legal, but "inappropriate" for eBay's image.
Are you suggesting that mind-altering drugs -- just because they're "legal" (which in this case means not yet regulated) -- are in keeping with eBay's "community values"?
posted on September 3, 2001 01:56:36 PM
WOW thanks for the tip. i had never heard of such a thing and being one who likes to relax with a doobie every now and again this is of interest. I would have never know about it unless you had started this wonderful thread. again, thank you very much.............hehehehe looks like the ebay police just turned us onto a goodie...let this be a lesson, tattle tailing isn't always the best thing! BUT HEY THANKS!!!!!..........gotta go bid, buy now..
posted on September 3, 2001 02:04:42 PM
i am not sure i see what the big hubb bubb is all about...currently there is 1 item under the salvia term and none under the divine term.......a completed search shows 9 auctions 1/3 of which were a publication of some type, a few for plants and some insence which may have been smokeable, i didn't really look....so whats the big deal here PLSMITH.........but hey i will do a copernic search and git me sum of dat sheet!!!
posted on September 3, 2001 02:09:34 PM
Very true, NearTheSea. Parents, if your teen has this pretty plant flowering in his or her room you might want to ask about it...
Have no clue who you are, NearTheSea, beyond the fact that you advertise being a fan of Art Bell. That *does* make me think of a couple folks, heh... Nice to "see" you, too, whoever you are
posted on September 3, 2001 02:14:41 PM
Go for it, soothsayer. Tell me, do you see cops everywhere, all the time, or is yours a mild paranoia that lasts just an hour or two?
Edited for spelling like soothsayer...
[ edited by plsmith on Sep 3, 2001 02:20 PM ]
posted on September 3, 2001 02:15:42 PM
i jsut went and ordered a quarter ounce, heck only 15 bucks...thats about a 60% discount from my normal "retailer".......if this works out it looks i may be able to same some money for the kids college fund afterall!!! THANKS AGAIN man you people here are soo helpful....SWEEEEEEET
posted on September 3, 2001 02:18:32 PM
no pl
i don't see cops everywhere...but lets be honest here, the only reason for your post is that you were playing ebay police and seemed to be outraged by this legal item being sold....you smell like a ebay copper to me..(insert winking, red eyed smiley face)
posted on September 3, 2001 02:23:44 PM
Perhaps you need to have your thinking cap blocked, soothsayer. Dig a little deeper into that expanded consciousness of yours and see if you can't come up with another reason for my post. I'll wait...
posted on September 3, 2001 02:26:37 PM
Hello: Pat I've been thinking of the old days, and the fun times and It's damm good to see ya!!
And about that purchase I made....Well it was used for Religious reasons and no animals were harmed during that time.....Also the Doctor said it would help with my lower back pain, at least thats what the script says.
And as to the having a bad trip... I'm still waiting~~~~~Hope I did'nt get burned.
posted on September 3, 2001 02:42:39 PMCVAN!!! How the heck are ya? Well, it sounds as though you at least *read* some of the disclaimers before you bought (my favorite is the BIG disclaimer that disavows any promises whatsoever about Salvia divinorum's potency, heh). Miss you, too, ya ole dawg...
Which brings me back to you, soothsayer. One hopes you read quite a bit about "divine sage" before you bought your quarter ounce. I doubt either you or I would recognize it as it grows (it's remarkably like several ornamental sages) and, come to think of it, I bet your dealer relies heavily on his purchasers not knowing what the stuff should look/smell like dried. You may have just paid $15.00 for sage, all right -- the kind one uses to season fowl before baking... about forty-five cent's worth, LOL!
Please *do* let us know how it works out for you...
posted on September 3, 2001 02:58:08 PM
LOL, yeah, you may have just ordered some 'regular' sage....
Now I don't see this as policing. If you had a child (child could be anyone from 13-21, sometime OLDER) would you approve of this?
Say some kid did get on ebay and bought this (hey its happened a lot, with no one the wiser) and this kid uses it, trips out on it a little too much.... now is it 'net coppin'?
plsmith.... hmmmm long ago, and far away, I remember the RT, when everyone seemed to have a favorite saying of 'Don't ever address me again' Well you told one particular poster 'Please do not undress me again' I laughed so hard, still am, remembering that one
posted on September 3, 2001 03:02:40 PM
well lets see you could be a "dealer" looking for some free advertisement...it worked on me...you da man!!!!
if thats not it the reason why you posted is not really important, the fact that you did is...can i say thanks one more time
posted on September 3, 2001 03:18:57 PM
Great news about your son, Cvan! You must be very proud of him.
Gotta work on becoming a proud Grandpa next -- I suspicion one look at your new Grandchild will be all it takes, heh...
So glad things are going well for you and, believe me, one doesn't need grandkids to feel OLD -- I'm seriously considering showering in the dark from now on to avoid the "view" ...
I understand that Salvia divinorum can be quite powerful and must be used responsibly and safely.
I understand that Salvia divinorum can profoundly alter perception and behavior; therefore, I will always work with it in a safe, secure, and private environment.
I understand the importance of having a sober sitter present when exploring the deeper levels of Salvia divinorum's effects.
If I share Salvia divinorum with others, I will first make sure that they are thoroughly informed about the nature of the experience and how to work with it safely.
I understand that individual sensitivity to Salvia divinorum varies quite a lot from person to person; some people are highly sensitive and others are incredibly insensitive.
I understand that when first experimenting with Salvia divinorum, one must start with a low dose; if stronger effects are desired, the dosage can gradually be increased on subsequent occasions until one discovers one's own degree of sensitivity and preferred level of effects.
I take full personal responsibility for my use of any products purchased and will not hold the vendor liable for any mishap that may result from use.
I have made a personal commitment to use this herb in a responsible, intelligent, and safe manner
posted on September 3, 2001 03:41:04 PM
Hi Ibuypaper. What does your friend consider "EXCELLENT"? Did he/she give you any details beyond that brief critique? I'd be interested in hearing from someone who thinks they have indeed gotten hold of the real thing -- if, that is, they could put their experience into more than one word...
posted on September 3, 2001 03:53:19 PM
Dang it, Cvan, yer makin' me laugh out loud! Aren't the price variances a hoot!?
Me, I'm thinking of selling flypaper as an inexpensive exfoliant. Who knows, maybe one can sniff flypaper, too -- anyone tried *that* yet? -- at the very least, it'd get rid of those pesky nosehairs...
Without going into details...
the 35% extract is a mild "buzz".
The really strong version is exactly what they say. Do not drive, and DO have a sober trusted friend around. Use the amount recommended and work upward from there to your "comfort" level.
Also be aware that as far as my friend could find, there is no research on short and long term negative effects of the salvia.
posted on September 3, 2001 04:42:07 PMIbuypaper, here's the thing: one could take two tablespoons of Nyquil and get a mild "buzz". Unregulated as this "herb" is, anyone purporting to sell it, or its extracts, or its seeds, could be selling anything, and unless one is a biochemist with a laboratory at hand, how would one know what they were getting?
The fact that there's no published data on the longterm effects of using "divine sage" makes it all the more dangerous for the casual user -- IF, that is, that person indeed acquires a stash of the "real" thing. I hope your friend will be cautious...
[hint-hint]
Waving HI to IM...
