notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:04:00 PM new
On 2001-07-16 I sold two SVCD volumes on eBay.
These items where originally mailed via USPS without a tracking number.
On 8/9/2001 the seller said that he did not these items. So I sent copies to him via USPS with a tracking number. They arrived on 8/11/2001.
On 9/3/2001 she demanded that I send her a check for the total amount including shipping or she would give me negative feed back. I informed her that if she wanted to receive a refund she needs to return the disk
to me and not leave negative feedback. (My published policy also gives a 14 day limit from the date received.)
On 9/6/2001 she repeated her demand stating that unless she is given a fun refund she will report me to eBay. Again I stated to her my return polices.
On 9/6/2001(later that day) she repeated her demand and I repeated my
terms of returns.
On 9/24 she repeated her demand. Again I repeated my terms of returns.
On 10/5 she claimed that I have NEVER responded to her emails and
demands that I pay her or she will leave negative feedback and file a
fraud complaint with eBay.
It has been 56 days from the date that I offered the refund.
It has been 86 days from the date that the auction closed.
Should I entertain this anymore or should I give her a refund. I have decided to follow your judgment should I give a refund without
receiving the product first.
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nowwaitaminuteder
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:53:26 PM new
AHHHHHHH YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!! and thats being nice.
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MichelleG
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:58:27 PM new
nowwaitaminuteder
Your post is insulting and has earned you a warning. Please keep in mind the AW Community Guidnelines require respect and consideration when posting.
Michelle
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joyz412e
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:16:51 PM new
JMHO: You need to forward her e-mails to safeharbor for the feedback extortion and let her try to neg! It is beyond the time limitation for filing for an ebay investigation. You have proof the item was delivered to refute the charges if she makes them through her cc company or the USPS. Sounds to me as if she wants to keep both sets you mailed.
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cjrent
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:31:48 PM new
At this point I would not refund her. And definately not without the merchandise returned first. Normally I would say that if the person is cooperative and has a legitimate reason for return, I might refund the customer if they simply forward me a tracking number and I see that it is on route to me. However in this case even if that was done I wouldnt trust that it was even the correct package.
Claire & Jack Rosen
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cjrent
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:40:11 PM new
How handy that the other thread is gone that showed that the seller has close to 50% negs.
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:53:41 PM new
The moderator found that the other thread was against the Community Guidelines and removed it. I cannot give specifics of the auction AuctionID's, Auction numbers or .
It was listed as the first reply that I had less than 30 min to fix it or it would be removed I didn't make the alterations in time so MichelleG([email protected]) locked it out.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:57:33 PM new
Seller admitted that he mailed copies of the original game to the high bidder. That alone means potentail trouble for the seller.
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nowwaitaminuteder
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:00:36 PM new
the other thread also contained a self promoting bit about being at the wtc site from 9/12-18, or a date close to that... thrown in to try and gain some sort of support for his case. that in itself is disgusting. that is probably BS to begin with..........
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:02:40 PM new
Yeah, what does he mean by "copies"....
Bootleg copies? If so, a refund is in order, and making the buyer return them is silly.
Factory original legal copies? No refund with out a return, and after all this time, I don't know if I'd allow a return.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:02:49 PM new
I think the bit about the WTC was made by the high bidder on the auction, not by the seller.
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nowwaitaminuteder
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:05:30 PM new
the wtc center comment was definetly made by the seller, the originator of this thread. it was part of his time line of events for the auction and follow up emails.....no doub about that......it was listed between 2 other dates involving emails to the buyer........... a real genuine caring human being this fella is......let me get some sympathy by saing i was at the wtc for 5 or so days...PLEASE!!!!!
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:09:01 PM new
how many negs do you have to earn before you get booted off ebay?
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:11:15 PM new
WTC?
What are you talking about that is not anywhere in this post please stay on topic .
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joyz412e
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:11:53 PM new
Meya - I don't see where that would make any difference in my advice in this instance. Obviously the buyer would have been able to check his feedback before bidding or sending money.
Why would the seller ask our opinions here or sweat one more neg if he's already at 50%? Maybe he wants to change the way his business is perceived.
IF what the seller said is the truth, he is in the right here. I would just make a copy or scan of the DC and mail it to the buyer.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:12:17 PM new
Microbes
[i]Bootleg copies? If so, a refund is in order, and making the buyer return them is silly.
Factory original legal copies? No refund with out a return, and after all this time, I don't know if I'd allow a return.[/i]
I think I would insist on a return of the goods, bootleg or not, prior to refunding a dime.
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:14:29 PM new
Joy, did you see the first thread on this topic? It was very fishy, with comments about "copies" etc. Since it is no longer here, we are at the posters mercy.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:17:36 PM new
notstarman:
No, the WTC may not have been mentioned in this thread but it was mentioned in your 2 previous posts about this bidder.
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:20:05 PM new
You can be removed after ONE. I have not broken any law or Ebay policys. Oddly enough I sold the same items on yahoo and have never had any problems.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:23:12 PM new
You can be removed after ONE. I have not broken any law or Ebay policys. Oddly enough I sold the same items on yahoo and have never had any problems.
Well, you may not have any problem with the previous 10 negatives you received from other transactions, but you very well have met the bidder who gets you removed for selling bootleg copies.
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joyz412e
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:27:43 PM new
No Meya, I did not see it. In my own defense I must say that I still think the buyer would have had plenty of time to check seller's feedback and have an idea of who they were dealing with. If the buyer were trying to steal (by buying unlicensed copies), they evidently got what they paid for.
Oh well, I took the bait on this one, eh?
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:29:21 PM new
I think I would insist on a return of the goods, bootleg or not, prior to refunding a dime.
If they where legit copies, yes, by all means.
If they weren't what is the value? The price of a recordable CD? 80 cents? Less than postage cost, and the seller (if they where bootleg) was way wrong. So why should the buyer "give up the evidence" before they get a refund.
From where I sit, it hinges on whether or not they where legit copies.
[ edited by Microbes on Oct 7, 2001 06:35 PM ]
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:30:25 PM new
So I get the occational bad feedback. SO WHAT?
How is this relevent to the thread. If you do not want to stay on topic then I will report you to the medaitor.
[ edited by notstarman on Oct 7, 2001 06:36 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:35:58 PM new
The buyer has been asking for a refund since 27 days after the auction. You seem to be the one who has drug it out so long. You sent copies, which obviously the buyer took issue with. You got your money, the buyer got copies, not what they were paying for.
Refund the money.
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engelskdansk
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:36:46 PM new
50% negs is more than the "occasional" one. Why buyers continue to purchase from shady sellers is incomprehensible to me.
And you haven't answered the question as to whether or not you were selling bootlegs.
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:39:03 PM new
I am not selling bootlegs.
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:39:08 PM new
I hit the button twice. Sorry.
[ edited by notstarman on Oct 7, 2001 06:39 PM ]
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:39:38 PM new
So I get the occational bad feedback. SO WHAT?
Occasional??? Oh my god, you do not have the "occasional" bad FB, my friend, you have a S-Load of negative FB. You might want to check out the definition of occasional.
How is this relevent to where I should enterain her request for a refund after 50+ days.
Could be a credibility question.
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notstarman
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:41:45 PM new
I have sold over 800+ items on ebay less than 100 people have choose to leave any feed back at all. At my request.
Did you know that you can get any eBay feedback removed for $15.
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justgeorge
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:42:24 PM new
I am not selling bootlegs
You said you sent the bidder copies the game she placed a bid on. What is this, if not bootleg?
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