posted on December 4, 2001 10:30:02 PM
Oh just do what everyone else does... register under a new name using a new credit card and bank account and go back on ebay.
posted on December 4, 2001 10:34:45 PM
Sorry you got booted, especially if ebay was your only income. But you did get all the warnings from ebay and you admit you knew all about the rules. Did you think they were just kidding you?
As for another site to sell on where you will have just as much success as ebay, all I can say is good luck finding it. Sellers are searching every day and so far no one has found it.
I could put that little green crying face here but I'm not that mean tonite.
posted on December 4, 2001 10:48:54 PM
What was the reason you were suspended for exactly? I know having lower prices on a web site is an infraction, but if you were warned, why did you not change that?
I can't understand if you got several warnings from ebay why you did not make the changes necessary, esp. if you do this full time.
I've been on ebay since 1997 and to my knowledge I have not done anything wrong, but if I got a warning, I would take that message VERY seriously!
posted on December 4, 2001 11:45:37 PM
Well I would be a little more vindictive than that.
If she emailed you specifically telling you she was going to do whatever it takes to get you suspended then you should definately forward it to safeharbor.
Also include links to her auctions proving she is a direct competitor.
I would also call the F***ing B**** on the phone.
You can get her phone number by filling out some form.......hard to find like all of Ebay's help files but it is there somewhere.
I can't help you on the fact of using the website link but hey that can be fixed with the Ebay re-intatement folks.
If you are talking real money in your auctions and not little trinkets and low priced widgets then I would have a lawyer friend draw up some legal papers. Cease and Desist and a claim for action and and damages for loss of business and reputation.
Who does she think she is......people think they can be A-holes behind the cozy safety of a computer monitor and the so-called anonimity of the internet. She exposed herself and is liable for what she did.
posted on December 4, 2001 11:47:09 PM
If you register under a different name you will have to think that your product is identifiable enough that your ruthless competition will be watching you like a hawk and will also look for your location, etc.
Did they say the suspension was permanent? I'd maybe try calling ebay and beg for mercy or take a 30 day suspension if you get lucky enough. If this is your only income it may be worth a try.
Not that Meg would be thinking of you as she cut up her fat turkey.
posted on December 5, 2001 04:40:08 AM
Thanks for all of you that repleyd, I know most of you are saying register under a new name. I did and because the item I sell is very distinctive, the person that got me suspened, reported me on my other name. So At first I was suspened for 30 days now I think I am suspened permanatly.... Don't know will find out for sure on the 15 dec because that was when the original 30 days was suppose to have been. As for the person that reported me I am trying to find the emails she send me so that I can report here to safeharbor, but I don't think I have them. Like I said I know I was warned about having my website name on some of my auctions, and I thought that I had gotten that cleaned up on my auctions, but because i was using mister lister to post I did not get them all the first time around. The second time they warned me I went back and looked and removed a bunch more. I must have missed one somewhere, because the 3rd time I was suspened. I know what you all are saying waaa, waaa, waaa it's all my fault for not cleaning up my auctions. I tried but like I said the competion said that she was going to do everything she could to get me suspened and she did, as for the amount of money, we are talking real money here not pennies, The itme I sell, sells for $25 to $54 each. I was selling anywhere from 10 to 30 itmes per auction listing. usually had around 10 dutch auctions posted a week for the $25 items, and 10 to 15 for the high dollar item, so I'm talking real money here. And as you all know these months are the best months to sell, since the item I sold make great x-mas gifts.... Anyway, I'm going to continue to search for those email that lady send me. Have a good day.
posted on December 5, 2001 06:01:19 AM
Now let me see if I have this right.
You have been running auctions on ebay that undercut the competition by breaking the ebay rules. You get warned by ebay about the problems, and continue anyway. You think your competition is turning you in.
You get suspended, use another seller id and start selling again, break the same rules, and get suspended again.
And it is all the fault of the person who has turned you in. One whom I guess is probably playing by the rules and upset that you are not.
And you want sympathy from other sellers who endure the unethical games of underhanded sellers all the time?
As someone who harshly criticizes ebay in these forums, I have to make sure that each and every auction I run is on the up and up. They monitor critics like me like a hawk.
If you can't make a living honestly, then what is the point?
posted on December 5, 2001 06:43:00 AM
well said lithux,the seller gets what he deserves.
you can also say why feel sorry for this seller,he is destroying his competitor business by undercutting her prices.
not to mention breaking ebay rules.
Ebay has ways of checking if a suspended seller is selling under different id,search past posts and you will see .
if it is that easy just to register under a new id,different bank account and cc number,all the crooks will be back !!!!!!
posted on December 5, 2001 07:09:09 AM
litlux - I don't want anybody to feel sorry for me, I messed up and that is that. The point here is not that I messed up thought, I was not trying to get anyone to feel sorry for me. What makes me mad is that the person that report me is still selling and makes a bunch of $$$$. Now that she managed to get me kicked off ebay. As far as my prices the price that I posted my items for was only $1.00 below my comp. If that upsets here tough luck. I don't think that any one person should be able to perdict and set the price for any and all itmes that people sell on ebay.
posted on December 5, 2001 07:10:49 AM
stopwhining - as for you I am not a crook, I made some stupid mistakes, but everyone that bought from me got there product and were very happy with it.
posted on December 5, 2001 07:13:40 AM
ONE MORE THING I WAS TRYING TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING. IT IS JUST THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN NOT TAKE THE COMPETION....
posted on December 5, 2001 08:09:23 AM
The handwriting was on the wall in huge letters and you never stopped long enough to read it. The clue police were knocking on your door and you didn't hear them.
Your competition is probably also trying to make an honest living. Don't use her for an excuse for your problems.
Sorry, but I hate to see anyone lose their main income at anytime of the year but now when I read all your excuses all I can say is:
posted on December 5, 2001 09:24:21 AM
You say you are trying to make an honest living, but you kept breaking the rules (4 times by my count) - What is honest about that? By having links to your web page, you were being dishonest because not only does Ebay not allow that, but it gives you unfair advertising aginst your competitor who is following the rules. If I were here, I would have contacted Ebay as well! It's not the $1 under that would bother them, but the illegal links to your web site to get more sales when they could not have one. Also, one warning from Ebay should be enough to make sure you are compliant with all auctions, especially if you knew that someone was threatening to get you kicked off. Re-registering with a 30 day suspension was probably not wise, I am sure Ebay can track from IP address and you might have been caught by them, not by anyone else.
posted on December 5, 2001 10:02:09 AM
POEPLE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME I MESSED UP BY LEAVING THE WEBSITE LISTING. I ALREADY KNOW THAT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST PLEASE POST SOMETHING HELPFULL...
posted on December 5, 2001 10:02:42 AM
Ebay dosnt suspend people for underselling the competition. They do suspend one for selling banned or illegal goods, Not being a good seller or demonistrating Poor buying habits and or for Violating Rules like Offsite links. Im not saying youve done any of these but you violated at least one of their rules and did it in a big way to get that much attention. Live / Learn and move on.
Wish you luck at the next site.
posted on December 5, 2001 10:11:05 AM
What are you looking for, sympathy? Not going to get it here, esp. with the tone of your responses. Looking for a suggestion of somewhere else to sell? Not much out there besides Ebay, try promoting your own site.
You seem to feel that there has been some injustice done to you, and I think people here think you sort of got what you deserved.
posted on December 5, 2001 10:23:40 AMThanks for all of you that repleyd, I know most of you are saying register under a new name. I did and because the item I sell is very distinctive, the person that got me suspened, reported me on my other name. So At first I was suspened for 30 days now I think I am suspened permanatly.... Don't know will find out for sure on the 15 dec because that was when the original 30 days was suppose to have been. As for the person that reported me I am trying to find the emails she send me so that I can report here to safeharbor, but I don't think I have them. Like I said I know I was warned about having my website name on some of my auctions, and I thought that I had gotten that cleaned up on my auctions, but because i was using mister lister to post I did not get them all the first time around. The second time they warned me I went back and looked and removed a bunch more. I must have missed one somewhere, because the 3rd time I was suspened. I know what you all are saying waaa, waaa, waaa it's all my fault for not cleaning up my auctions. I tried but like I said the competion said that she was going to do everything she could to get me suspened and she did, as for the amount of money, we are talking real money here not pennies, The itme I sell, sells for $25 to $54 each. I was selling anywhere from 10 to 30 itmes per auction listing. usually had around 10 dutch auctions posted a week for the $25 items, and 10 to 15 for the high dollar item, so I'm talking real money here. And as you all know these months are the best months to sell, since the item I sold make great x-mas gifts.... Anyway, I'm going to continue to search for those email that lady send me. Have a good day.
Just keeping that one so other people reading this can judge for themselves what is going on. So why remove your first post? Things not going your way here so you take your toys and run home?
All I can tell you that may be helpful is maybe now go out in the real world and try to find a job. Or work on your website and try to promote it. Try other auction sites. Try to be honest. The first step is admitting you screwed up and you are doing that. Life will give you other chances and next time learn from previous mistakes. Good luck--I wish you well.
posted on December 5, 2001 10:25:43 AM
i did not say you are a crook.
it is okay to sell for one dollar less than your competitor in the capitalist world,it happens every day,sam walton,bless his soul,did that all the time with his grocery!!
one way to come back to ebay is to beg your friend/relative who does not live with you,share same phone number,cc,ss,driver id and bank account to become an ebay seller.
someone said there is no way ebay can tell what phone line you are using when you log on to ebay,it will have to get it from your internet provider andi dont believe ebay will bother.
as for your competitor ,you have to make sure your buyers do not send payment to the old address and call you on the old phone number.
in other words,if your mother loves you,she will rent you a room free in her house and let you sell under her id,using her phone line,her mailing address,bank account,ss and driver id.
or how well do you get along with your mother in law? yoor landlord,girlfriend,barber,bartender etc
posted on December 5, 2001 10:26:45 AM
"Infraction of what ... Free Trade? "
Would you like the US Government to step in and tell EBay how to run their site? They are a business, and these are their rules. This is not a free trade issue. What you are suggesting is against free trade!
If you don't like Ebay, go somewhere else, nobody is forcing anyone to be there.
posted on December 5, 2001 10:38:46 AM
The market is forcing sellers to eBay. The "if you don't like it leave" saying is a false dilemma.
The small sellers and buyers built eBay. If eBay rules are negativly effecting your business, find smart ways to by-pass the rules.
The first rule of successiful business is to maximize profits. The second rule of business is to find a way around any other rule that prevents you from achieving rule number one.
eBay is not looking out for your business. eBay is looking out for eBay and their shareholders. If your business fails, eBay will not help you. It is YOUR business and YOUR customers, act accordingly.
posted on December 5, 2001 11:14:22 AM
You can price your items at whatever you want. It is when you put a link to your website and then offer the product for a price lower than your auction price, that is what ebay objects to.
Because then buyers can buy direct from your website and ebay will not get their fees.
I have a RL store and how do you think I would feel if a competitor came in my door and put up signs in my shop that said my customers could buy things cheaper at his shop?
It is ebay's site. I don't like all the rules either but......
posted on December 5, 2001 11:43:54 AM
eBay is not a competitor. eBay sells nothing to my customers. eBay attempts to be a weigh station for taxing all online sales. In reality, I view it as nothing but an advertising venue for sellers. eBay wants sellers to believe that online sales can not take place unless it is through their venue rules and fee system. Those small sellers that accept eBay's view of online selling are doomed to remain small sellers and under eBay's dictatorial thumb.
If you want to get around the link rule, use the 2 click rule. Also advertise your site and/or other items on your end of auction emails to your customers.
Another great way to direct your customers to your web sales site is to use a payment system at your site and direct buyers there to complete the sale.
40% of my sales are direct purchases from buyers generated through my eBay business. I deal with 5 suppliers that I discovered through eBay and now deal direct with them and get the items cheaper than purchasing through their eBay listings.
Unless you aggressively pursue independence from eBay, they will have their hand in your pocket and dictate how you run your business,and you will remain small.
There has not been one seller on eBay that has been able to develope the power and market muscle by branding on eBay. eBay is the only brand on eBay. That's the way eBay wants it.
posted on December 5, 2001 11:45:03 AM
Thanks for all your comments some are good, and some are bad. But hey everyone has there own opinion and that is what I love about this board....
