kahml
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posted on May 11, 2002 04:31:33 AM
that sometimes you have to take a look on the brighter side
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=johann77isafookinmoron
and see how buyer and seller really get along in the wonderful eBay community.
(Please don't even ask how I ran across this one)
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revvassago
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posted on May 11, 2002 06:57:17 AM
I can see why this seller left this bidder these negs. The bidder didn't contact for refund, even though the seller offers refunds on grading issues. It is stated right on his ME page:
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/johann77/
He also makes note of how he grades, and what references he uses to do so.
EDITED TO ADD: I never even saw the bidder's userID! That is hilarious!
[ edited by revvassago on May 11, 2002 07:32 AM ]
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thchaser200
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posted on May 11, 2002 07:21:27 AM
I can see why they don't get along. They have to know each other from somewhere
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revvassago
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posted on May 11, 2002 07:37:52 AM
The more I look into this, the more funny this gets. Look at the bidder's ME page. They go into a big to-do about the whole thing.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/johann77isafookinmoron/
All this over a total of $5.00 in comic books. Sheesh!
But apparently I am a freak.
[ edited by revvassago on May 11, 2002 07:38 AM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on May 11, 2002 09:36:21 AM
You've got to be kidding.
This bidder is a joke. I wouldn't have any dealings with him or her...
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thchaser200
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posted on May 11, 2002 12:23:00 PM
There is something more to this, there is way to much time spent by the bidder
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ihula
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posted on May 11, 2002 01:34:32 PM
I agree - why would you change your ID name just in spite of one bad auction??
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classicrock000
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posted on May 11, 2002 06:26:09 PM
ihula---well you know from reading these posts here how people HATE getting their first neg--i guess he took it to heart-surprised that he didnt hang himself or jump off a bridge somewhere
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ihula
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posted on May 11, 2002 06:36:59 PM
I agree, I hated my first my neg too, but I didn't change my user id to theyaresorealpukashellsyouidiot (they are so real puka shells you idiot) 
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 11, 2002 07:23:59 PM
I love it. Dumb buyers cost us Billions of dollars a year in raised prices, and lost production.
Martin Luther King got a Holiday named after him because he stood up for his beliefs, and took on a war against racism. We need Holidays named after sellers who stand up against stupidity. This seller gets my vote to have the Holiday named after him.
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tomwiii
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posted on May 12, 2002 03:17:11 AM
perhaps...
Guy Fawkes Day?
[ edited by tomwiii on May 12, 2002 03:17 AM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on May 12, 2002 09:35:38 AM
That is a riot!
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 12, 2002 10:07:17 AM
johann77isafookinmoron is correct. He/she went about it a little childish by changing their id, but did leave proper and truthful feedback. The seller was the one leaving retalitory feedback. After checking the feedbacks left by this seller, he is clearly a poor seller. He leave retailitory feedback to all truthful buyers. It is very clear the seller is at fault. The buyer bid and paid there money. That ended the buyers obligation in the transaction. A positive should have been left, but this seller holds feedback hostage in order to cover up obvious inacurracies in grading these items. Other feedback left for this guy proves it. The buyer did the correct thing by leaving a neutral. The transaction was completed. That is the positive. The item was not decribed correctly. That is a negative. Result is a neutral. As a buyer, I want to know when my potential seller is truthful on there merchandise. How would I know this unless buyers leave proper feedback? Now I wouldn't go changing my ebay id, but I can understand this buyer would want to do that after getting shafted by a poor seller. Sellers like this drive away great buyers from ebay and give all sellers a bad name.
[ edited by caffeitalia on May 12, 2002 10:09 AM ]
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revvassago
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posted on May 12, 2002 10:42:07 AM
caffeitalia:
Not only did the seller's about me page show what criteria he uses for the grading, but he also issues refunds if you are not happy with the grading.
That ended the buyers obligation in the transaction. A positive should have been left, but this seller holds feedback hostage
Don't even start down that road. There have been countless debates over this, and the transaction doesn't end UNTIL EVERYONE IS HAPPY. If someone buys something from you, and you leave a pos. FB, then they claim they never received item (even though you have proof they did), how will you leave appropriate FB for this transaction?
If you sell something to someone, leave pos FB, then they leave a neg w/o contacting you to resolve a situation, how can you leave appropriate FB for this transaction?
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:02:12 AM
revvassago
but this seller holds feedback hostage in order to cover up obvious inacurracies in grading these items. Other feedback left for this guy proves it.
It is nice to cut out bits and pieces of a post to make your own look correct. The buyer did the exact correct thing. They left a neutral.
If someone buys something from you, and you leave a pos. FB, then they claim they never received item
Translation: You didn't communicate with your customer directly through e-mail when you received payment or when you sent the item so they have no idea when to expect it.
If you sell something to someone, leave pos FB, then they leave a neg w/o contacting you to resolve a situation, how can you leave appropriate FB for this transaction?
This is a sellers issue, not a buyers issue. The buyer paid you in a timely manner. That is the end of the buyers obligation. Then the seller needs to do their part.
What you are stating in the above post is, "How can I retaliate for this buyer leaving the truth? Not has the buyer done his/her part."
[ edited by caffeitalia on May 12, 2002 11:11 AM ]
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:09:16 AM
"After checking the feedbacks left by this seller, he is clearly a poor seller. He leave retailitory feedback to all truthful buyers. It is very clear the seller is at fault. The buyer bid and paid there money. That ended the buyers obligation in the transaction. A positive should have been left.'
Ok, the buyer left truthful feedback based on their opinion, but grading is not fact, it is opinion. You can have a two Professional Grading Services grade the same item and come up with two different grades. It is always the buyers responsibilty to know what they are getting, and this buyer acted irresponsible.
This buyer looks like a future problem and it is fair for this seller to warn sellers of this problem buyer who doesn't apparently ask questions then turns around and leaves unfavorable fb.
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:14:31 AM
"Translation: You didn't communicate with your customer directly through e-mail when you received payment or when you sent the item so they have no idea when to expect it."
This is an auction for gods sake. Who on this f'n planet expects service of anykind from an auction? Have you gone to a live auction and ask about their return policy? It's just foolish nonsense to expect service for an auction. I suppose you go to garage sales and expect them to smile and greet you, or you walk off!
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:15:00 AM
Quickdraw,
Clearly you didn't check out the other negatives this seller has received and given out. If you had, you would have had no comment. As far as this poor buyer goes, it was childish to change their id, but I can understand their point. It is the only neg they received and unjust.
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:25:09 AM
caffeitallia, I did look at this sellers feedback and has less than .01% negatives. That is a super record by any standard. There are extreme nutcase buyers out there who act irresponsibilty, and leave unwarranted negatives. This seller was a victim of these nutcases. The feedback he left is very kind and fair: "Left unnice feedback before contacting me on a book graded by 3 people!!!" Factual and to the point.
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revvassago
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:32:10 AM
As far as this poor buyer goes, it was childish to change their id, but I can understand their point. It is the only neg they received and unjust.
These are directly out of johann77isafookinmoron's feedback:
Neutral : A bit too quick to complain and leave neutral feeback. OK otherwise. Grade C.
Response by johann77isafookinmoron - he never left feedback until i did, im the customer, he's the seller-go figure?
Complaint : Was reported for sending harassing emails to me. I will not deal with again.
Response by johann77isafookinmoron - please email me regarding this seller. thanks
These are some of the feedbacks he left for others:
Neutral: book arrived safely but grading was not accurate...money back guarentee though
Praise: Excellent person to deal with, Highly recommended. Let me get out of auction
Complaint: no scan, no refund, didn't follow packaging request, can't grade accurately
Neutral: no communication, book advertised as MINT rec'd as VF-, did not package tight
Neutral: ask for money back guarentee incase book is not graded accurately-wish i had C
Response by bargainus-maximus - The 2 feedbacks directly below don't seem to agree with you.
Follow-up by johann77isafookinmoron - if your so confident in your grading you should offer a money back guarentee
Neutral: grading standard needs work, could be better, everything else was fine
Neutral: took his sweet time sending payment. was it a fluke? book will be sent out
Response by comicjel - sent 1 wk after auct. end-seller is unreasonable to not give pos. feedback here.
Neutral: please email me for comments regarding this seller. thx
Response by burmeselady - Sent me harassing emails from workplace and I reported him for this.
Neutral: doesn't quite grade as accurate as Overstreet, but if unhappy-he'll refund $$$
[ edited by revvassago on May 12, 2002 11:32 AM ]
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:32:53 AM
Still no justification for retailitory feedback by poor sellers like yourself.
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revvassago
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posted on May 12, 2002 11:35:23 AM
Still no justification for retailitory feedback by poor sellers like yourself.
How the hell do you know what kind of seller I am?
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twinsoft
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posted on May 12, 2002 01:43:10 PM
The buyer paid you in a timely manner. That is the end of the buyers obligation.
No, it isn't.
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quickdraw29
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posted on May 12, 2002 02:43:57 PM
"Sellers like this drive away great buyers from ebay and give all sellers a bad name."
Sellers like this drive away all the bad buyers. Great buyers tend to act more responsible and maturely and naturally get better service.
Last I checked we all have seperate feedback. If one seller has 1000 posiive and zero negs, how does he get a "bad name" if another seller acts carelessly?
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revvassago
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posted on May 12, 2002 04:36:18 PM
Actually, all of my positive feedback is retalitory. I have yet to receive a negative first (the whopping 4 negs I have were all retalitory for NPB's).
So I guess that means I leave retalitory positive feedback, since I do not leave feedback till the bidder does.
What a horrible, "poor seller" I am.
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afallenangel
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posted on May 12, 2002 07:17:48 PM
I don't feel bad about my 1 neg, which is a retaliatory feedback.
Let me add both of these guys to my block list--just in case. :P I've got some Lady Justice Neil Gaimon comics I might auction soon and I'd hate to think either of these would be interested in them.
We have signs from God because some of us are too stupid to figure things out for ourselves.
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nostod
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posted on May 14, 2002 03:08:59 PM
The more service you give the more negs you will get. I allow people to combine auctions within a ten day period, but by doing so I run the risk of negs. Case in point: Buyer won one item and ask me to wait for another closing in about a week which I agreed to. Buyer won second auction
and then sent me a personal check. I got check one week after second auction closed. I hold all checks 10 days before I ship. Took about 5 days for items to arrive at buyers residence. Total time from first auction till delivery 29 days, for which I got negged for being so slow on delivery.
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nostod
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posted on May 14, 2002 03:18:05 PM
I now do not give feedback until after buyer post feedback. Feedback is not a required activity by the way. When I send shipment notice I inform my buyer that I will post feedback once the buyer is satisfied with the transaction and has posted + feedback. I offer everything with a 100% satisfaction guarantee so the deal is NOT done until the buyer is satisfied. There is absolutely no excuse for posting negative feedback when you can return for a refund or get an adjustment.
Some of these geniuses would rather neg you than
get their money back. My attitude is you either get to neg me or get your money back but not both.
If you sell $100 for a buck on ebay you will finally get negged.
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