Twelvepole
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:11:52 PM new
With the Christmas season upon us and eBay sales in full swing, I hope people will remember to give to Toys for Tots or some similar charity. Children are the one thing I think is worthwhile this time of year.
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:21:30 PM new
Toys for Tots of Parents who shouldn't be having children if they have to beg for toys.
For nearly the entire civilization children have been without toys so children don't need toys to grow up healthy and happy. Are we teaching children they need toys to fit in?
Let's not donate toys and do what is right for once.
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tomwiii
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:28:01 PM new
Yeah! Yeah!
And a big fat Bah! Humbug! to you too! 
"What we have heah is a fail-ure to communicate!"
http://tinyurl.com/315v
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:30:58 PM new
Don't give me that "Bah Humbug" crap. It's a matter of principle of doing what is right.
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jensmome
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:44:27 PM new
Around here there are people out of jobs through no fault of their own. I am one of them. "It's the economy, stupid" and no child should be punished for things they can not control. Or maybe you don't have house or apartment fires where you come from. Well there was a dilly here and 15 families are dependng on the Red Cross or family. Even if they have insurance, what are they going to buy first? Replacements for the stuff they lost or Christmas?
I respect your right to be a Scrooge but have to take issue with your very broad generalization.
***edited to say I wasn't calling you stupid. I was just quoting.***
[ edited by jensmome on Dec 11, 2002 07:45 PM ]
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wgm
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:52:37 PM new
Very well put, jensmome. The only thing I would add...
why punish the children for their parents bringing them into the world? Toys have been around throughout civilization. Granted not Fisher-Price or Little Tikes, but in some form or another. I have a "hankie doll" that my great-grandmother played with when she was a child...
Wishing everyone a beautiful holiday season...
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
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mattson2000
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posted on December 11, 2002 07:58:18 PM new
<i>Toys for Tots of Parents who shouldn't be having children if they have to beg for toys.</i>
Many people in this country had good jobs and for some reason they got laid off because of business closing, downsizing, or whatever the reason they lost there jobs. I lost my job in March of this year due to office closing. Many other people in this state have also lost jobs because of business closing. They are not BEGGING for toys, they are just having a hard time providing for there families. Unemployment has a cap on what you bring home every 2 weeks; it doesn't matter if you made $100,000 a year. Your statement about parents shouldn't have children if they have to BEG for a toy is just cruel. Children are precious gifts.
<i> For nearly the entire civilization children have been without toys so children don't need toys to grow up healthy and happy</i>
In the early civilization what did the children play with? Sticks, rocks, or whatever they found. Those were there toys. And yes infants and toddles do need toys of some sort to learn. Toys stimulate learning. Or maybe you don't have any children and don't know that.
<i>Are we teaching children they need toys to fit in? </i>
Watching there parents trying to fit in or "keep up with the Jones" with there friends is more of an influence on children then buying them toys.
Granted everyone has there own opinion, but some should take into consideration of what the topic is and everything that is going on in this country.
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:01:24 PM new
Children shouldn't be punished? Who's punishing them? No one is taking away their presents. I love how you twist words to get our sympathy although no amount of deception will change my mind that kids can happily do without toys as they have for centuries, minus the last 100 years or so.
Obviously you have been brainwashed by all those Holiday Commercials, afterall that is how gift giving got started. Is materialism that important to you and these familes? That is very sad.
This is not an issue about being a Scrooge, poor people and everyone else can celebrate and enjoy love and joy without materialism. Poor people should learn that if they can't afford a few dollars worth of toys they shouldn't even be having children.
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wgm
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:03:56 PM new
"Poor people should learn that if they can't afford a few dollars worth of toys they shouldn't even be having children."
WOW - this is amazing.
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:18:05 PM new
"Toys have been around throughout civilization."
They were homemade toys, and they generally weren't given at Christmas.
"why punish the children for their parents bringing them into the world?"
That's a very sad interpretation. It's like saying it is punishing a teen for staying out past midnight, or for doing drugs.
"They are not BEGGING for toys, they are just having a hard time providing for there families. Your statement about parents shouldn't have children if they have to BEG for a toy is just cruel. Children are precious gifts."
You're right, they aren't begging for toys, they are just signing up to receive them as free handouts. Like that is any more moral. You're a really sick individual to call my statement cruel. Don't sit here and tell me how I should set my priorities. Children aren't gifts, children are created though a natural act of nature. They didn't come gift wrapped on your doorstep.
You obviously live in lala land. You're an adult and you can't see that if you're so fricken poor that maybe you should learn how to enjoy Christmas without being materialistic. Hell, you can go to the dollar store and get a few toys. Oh wait, le me guess, thye have to be the $20 toys!
Sick individuals here.
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jensmome
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:18:46 PM new
Oh yeah. Let me see...O. Henry wrote his Christmas story to further the commercialization of Christmas. And that was before there were commercials. Wow! That guy was way ahead of the curve.
I am now going back to Who-ville. It's patently obvious that no one is going to change their mind on this topic.
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:22:37 PM new
"WOW - this is amazing."
You are that corrupted to find a basic concept amazing. Apparently our society is a decline that we need toys to allow families to celebrate love and joy with their children. That's not amazing, that is sick.
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RSMSPORTSGA
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:25:58 PM new
Yes...It is true...We have taught children to expect toys for Christmas and I dont think it can be changed in one year!!!...I do believe in helping children....THEY DID NOT ASK TO BE BORN!!!!....SO...MERRY CHRISTMAS AND I HOPE ALL OF YOU HAVE CONTINUED SUCCESS WITH EBAY....I AM RETIRING FROM EBAY FOR A WHILE!!!...HO!!! HO!!!! HO!!!...
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:28:50 PM new
O Henry's story is irrelevant. What's your point? That society should abide by a stupid story with corrupted values?
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:35:45 PM new
"We have taught children to expect toys for Christmas and I dont think it can be changed in one year!!!...I do believe in helping children....THEY DID NOT ASK TO BE BORN!!!!"
No, you have taught your children to expect toys, and you can change that right now by explaining to your kids that materialism is not the message of Christmas.
A Calf didn't ask to be born either. If you know about science, giving birth is an act of nature, about passing on our genes to continue a species, not to give toys so your child can brag at school. Can't your child have fun without toys? Obviously they have no imagination then. Children learn from their parents, if you stopped brainwashing them, kids would happily understand that it is some silly tradition.
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trai
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:51:48 PM new
Bite me! 
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wgm
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:54:35 PM new
"You are that corrupted to find a basic concept amazing."
no, it is your statements here that I find amazing.
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
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Libra63
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posted on December 11, 2002 08:55:54 PM new
Wow..what a thread. Children are the future.
There is nothing wrong with toys. Of course the gift giving is getting way out of hand, but thats not the fault of children that have never had anything. What is wrong with donating a toy or maybe a dollar. I don't know but if you have ever given a needy family a meal and see where you have to deliver it, how sad you would feel and hope that you never live like that. Who's fault, who cares it's knowing that children won't go hungry.
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Libra63
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posted on December 11, 2002 09:03:04 PM new
Okay Quickdraw, what do you do for Christmas?
I suppose a tree is out of line, probably no Santa Claus, and of course no toys. Just what did you tell your children about Christmas or you don't have children.
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Twelvepole
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posted on December 11, 2002 09:09:28 PM new
Gee Quickdraw, tell us how you really feel... LOL
I do feel your love QD, thanks for being so caring. 
Let's see one toy for a child versus how many will most children get? Yes it is the parents responsibility to provide, but nothing wrong for a helping out a child.
Ain't Life Grand... 
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kiara
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posted on December 11, 2002 09:15:50 PM new
You can choose to donate to the SPCA and you can give pet food or towels to them also.
Or you can take time to visit some residents in rest homes or hospitals. After one visit, no matter how crappy your life is, you won't feel so bad after all.
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mattson2000
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posted on December 11, 2002 09:28:10 PM new
How is your statement not cruel and why am I sick for stating so? How rich does a person need to be to have a child?
If I was living in lala land I sure in the heck would not be trying to make money to help support my family to buy the things we “need”. Dollar stores are great, but what about the smaller towns that don't have them?
I would guess your religion might have something to do with your thoughts. I know some don’t celebrate anything; some celebrate only birth and death, and others celebrate everything.
I don't know about anyone else but I celebrate love and joy with my family and friends everyday.
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wgm
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posted on December 11, 2002 10:09:46 PM new
Twelvepole, looks like this thread somehow or another got derailed; and I missed saying thank you for posting about the Toys for Tots.
I am a single mother, and really try to teach my child about being thankful for what we have...the PO has a drop-off there, so I took him shopping and he picked out something to donate. All in all, Christmas is for children...wide-eyed, innocent, believing in Santa...
And kiara, those are excellent alternatives you listed. If we look around, we can always find ways to help others....
A very beautiful Christmas to all of you...
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
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tomwiii
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posted on December 12, 2002 05:26:42 AM new
Hey quickie!...which FLAVOR do you prefer??
"What we have heah is a fail-ure to communicate!"
http://tinyurl.com/315v
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zoomin
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posted on December 12, 2002 06:49:11 AM new
Unfortunately, too many donations that are made to benefit children end up in the wrong hands ~ in the hands of theiving adults.
Toys for Tots gets the intended gift into the hands of kids ~ the same kids who don't have school supplies or healthy meals.
I can't donate my time to work in a soup kitchen but Toys for Tots gives many of us a chance to help just a little.
The holidays are about giving ~ less fortunate children learn about that through the generous gifts from strangers.
Random acts of kindness can make any day Christmas for a child.
okay, many on the 'list' are 'takers', looking for a handout.
The majority of the recipients benefit from the program. If you don't want to, don't contribute.
BUT
After a visit to Target to do his Christmas shopping, my 8 year old gave his remaining cash ($2.17) to 'the man with the bell' for 'other kids'.
(pretty considerate, eh?)
...he also made the man promise it would be for the children...
(kinda sad,eh?)
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rarriffle
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posted on December 12, 2002 11:54:51 AM new
quickdraw29, the more I read your posts the more I am convinced that you need a new toilet seat.
obviously the one you use now is covered with sandpaper and then you come here and vent about your pain...
get over yourself already
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mlecher
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posted on December 12, 2002 12:10:33 PM new
Ohhh quickdraw.....are we being a naughty, evil person?
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We call them our heroes...but we pay them like chumps
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skylarraye
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posted on December 12, 2002 12:58:53 PM new
What's wrong, quickdraw? Still bitter about that Stretch Armstrong you didn't get for Christmas years ago?
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computerboy
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posted on December 12, 2002 01:01:21 PM new
I believe the Berger Meister-Meister Berger had a similar attitude and it didn't get him very far.
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zoomin
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posted on December 12, 2002 01:58:43 PM new
Let's not donate toys and do what is right for once.
okay, quickdraw, I'll bite.
what is 'right' to donate?
anything?
Toys for Tots does a wonderful job.
In this hectic world, those who have achieved financial success rarely have the time to commit to 'giving back' on a permanent level ~ why not let them help where they can?
Some of us have been on 'the list' and are fotunate enough to have overcome ~ they too would like to show their appreciation & 'pay back' what was done for them & theirs.
is that wrong?
Small children learn about those less fortunate and the gift of giving ~ truly what the season is about.
Is this a bad thing?
Toys for tots causes no harm.
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