posted on December 12, 2002 03:52:01 PM new
Help! I have an eBay auction ending in a few hours - the high bidder's 2 most recent feedbacks were negs and said he stiffs the seller while the other bidder has 900+ pos feedbacks amd apparently has a name connection to the auction ( i am listing a postcard of "spechts" motel plymouth wisconsin" and the 900+ bidder has ebay name of "jspecht" The high bidders neg feedbacks date back to january/feb 2002 but 2 negs/12 pos is not very encouraging...is there anything I can do or should i just wait til he stiffs me and then offer to other bidder?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20243&item=745166135&rd=1
[ edited by neglus on Dec 12, 2002 03:54 PM ]
posted on December 12, 2002 04:04:43 PM new
My suggestion would be to cancel his bid and block him on Ebay so he can not bid again. If you feel justified in doing this, I usually put the reason for cancelling the bid, is due to negative feedback.
If you go to the site area of Ebay, there is a place to cancel the bid and to block the bidder.
posted on December 12, 2002 04:17:03 PM new
Can I do that? "negative feedback" was not an example given as a reason for cancelling bids...I cancel his bids and the postcard goes back down to the starting price yet the other bidder was willing to pay twice that..
posted on December 12, 2002 04:27:44 PM new
Yes, if you cancel and block, he has not won the item and can not leave you feedback. As a seller, you can cancel for whatever reason, you don't need to explain yourself. His feedback is explanation enough
posted on December 12, 2002 05:57:29 PM new
ok i blocked the bidder and cancelled his bids...i did bidder search and found that he is currently bidding in 22 other auctions..many of them for baseball cards that are bid up to over $100 - should i email the other seller with a "heads up" or leave well enough alone? Will i now have an enemy who can come back with another name to haunt me?
posted on December 12, 2002 06:13:01 PM new
thanks - i won't email other seller ( i've received email like that but have never sent any - didn't know it was against ebay policy) - didn't seem to be a good idea anyway since i have no direct knowledge of the buyers' performance - tks all for the advice
posted on December 12, 2002 08:03:20 PM new
Hi
I'm sorry to have to disagree with what you have done. I feel this is not the way to contact yourself as a seller.
I'm not sure if by you canceling his bid this shows up on your feedback page. But even if it doesn't show up, what you did I don't feel was right because you cant stand and judge someone as being what you might think they are just because of a few bad feedback's.
I have had buyers with excellent feedback stiff me, so what dose that say about feedback?
I also have buyers with neg. feedback, but I don't cancel there bids its just not the way to contact yourself as a seller, you can't worry about every little thing, This is all part of the territory as being a Seller..........I have had buyers with Negs in there feedback stating Buyer don't Pay.....watch out.....well he paid me, and lots of other Sellers, so judging a person before the ACT....it's just not what we are here for...
I am sorry, but this is my feelings on your question.
posted on December 12, 2002 08:24:05 PM new
I've seen a LOT of stupid things written here, but this has to go down as the stupidest thing I have seen written here. Congratulations!
posted on December 12, 2002 08:58:55 PM new
>>I have had buyers with excellent feedback stiff me, so what dose that say about feedback?<<
In this case, it means the bidder who worked his butt off to earn a good reputation for paying his sellers will win the auction and the deadbeat who doesn't pay sellers is left out in the cold. The only possible reason I could see to let the jerk continue and win the auction would be to give Neglus a chance to be the third to file a FVF against the guy and get him booted.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
posted on December 12, 2002 09:01:27 PM new
tonimar - the bidder did not have "maybe" negative feedback..the last two feedbacks he got (and he only has 12 positives) said he "stiffed the seller" (meaning did not pay nor respond) and were posted by two different sellers.. i always give the buyer the benefit of the doubt but this one didn't "smell" right..especially when i looked at all the auctions he/she was bidding on right now and how high the bids were..i sold my card for half the price he bid on it (and half the price the other bidder was willing to pay) so I didnt benefit at all from the action - I just hate to see buyers like that get away with that kind of nuisance bidding!!!!!
posted on December 12, 2002 09:03:48 PM new
sparkz..i never thought about that! darn! would love to have given him his third and final one..but if im right, the poor seller who has all the auctions he has bid up to over $100 will have the pleasure..
posted on December 12, 2002 09:15:43 PM new
Hi Neglus
You did what you felt was right, but for me as a Seller I would not have done that. It doesnt make you right or wrong, or me either, its just how i do business. Im not saying other sellers should do business as I do, im just stating my feelings on the subject, thats what this thread is all about, .......well at least I think thats what its about ......
posted on December 12, 2002 09:42:59 PM new
I have had bidders come through who had negative feedback for non-payment. Recently, even.
It's not uncommon for such bidders to claim that someone else is also using their eBay account (with their knowledge) and they're the ones who got the negs.
Of course, everyone should have their own eBay id, but I suspect there are more group ids out there than anyone realizes, and that's why payment histories as portrayed in feedback are erratic.
posted on December 13, 2002 02:46:16 AM new
I have to agree with the others about not canceling bids...if the other bidder really wanted the card, who knows where it would have ended.
You shot yourself in the foot here.
I have had bidders who have negs pay faster than I could send an EOA...you don't know the whole story on those 2 negs..just the sellers side...and not much of that.
posted on December 13, 2002 07:12:25 AM new
I think a couple of your are being a bit hard on tonimar1. Just because his/her opinion is different than yours does not constitute stupid. If we can't have a civil discussion here we will be stooping to the level of the Ebay boards.
IMO rarriffle is right on. I see that his person responded to the negs that they were in the hospital. Now I know this is an excuse used by legieons of deadbeats but it is also a fact that people do get ill. And if that illness is serious, Ebay may take a back seat. It appears that this individual didn't do any bidding for several months after this, which further supports the possible illness senario.
I would have let them bid. neglus, you also said that the other bidder had a name connection to the auction. I love these bidders, they usually are relentless and send the price much higher than you expect and snipeing is often involved. Chances are they would have been the final bidder anyway.
posted on December 13, 2002 08:29:09 AM new
I have to agree with the original poster that it does look odd ... no apparent bidder activity for 11 months following two negs, then a flurry of activity (he's bidding in 22 auctions, but only has 20 total feedbacks over a long period of time. It's strange.)
There might have been an back-story, however, that made sense. (In one response he indicated he was in the hospital - and he didn't retaliate against either of the sellers who negged him.) Unfortunately, with only a few hours to go it would be impossible to correspond with the bidder and ease your mind, so the bid cancellation was probably warranted. Given that you don't know all the facts, however, I probably wouldn't have worded the "explanation" so harshly.
If you're worried about the "enemy for life" scenario, you might want to drop the guy and email and just be straight with him - you knew you wouldn't have time to contact him and you didn't want to risk it, but you didn't mean a personal slight. The down side, of course, is that your winner and the booted bidder might have both wanted this card so badly that they had a last-minute snipe war planned. But if you're happy with the price you got for the card, there's no use speculating what could have happened.
edited 'cause I can't add
[ edited by msincognito on Dec 13, 2002 08:30 AM ]
posted on December 13, 2002 11:37:28 AM new
You are right and it's a "done deal" - I swear that the response "i was in the hospital" did not show last night when i looked at the bidder's feedback !!!(OR GOD FORBID, I MISSED IT!!)I wouldn't have even been in a quandry had i seen it and would have proceeded with the auction - because yes! those are exactly the types of auctions i like best too!
The bidder emailed me and I explained that I had no time last night to correspond back and forth via email and that I had to make a decision and made one based on the information i had available.
I guess it was the wrong decision but I can live with it...wouldn't have happened if i was in my normal listing/shipping mode but I have decided to hold off on listing for a week or two...TOO MUCH TIME ON MY HANDS!@@@@@@ Thanks all for the help!
posted on December 13, 2002 04:08:52 PM new
neglus.....your last post indicates that you realize now(too late) that you were wrong. Very wrong. You did indeed have too much time on your hands, as you say. I'd be a little harsher. I just looked at this thread for the first time 5 minutes ago, and checked the feedback, and realized immediately that the high bidder was fine, even if the bidding got into the hundreds(who knows, he/she may have been another spechts). You cancelled a bid on a bidder who was sick in the hospital!!!!!(2 negs at this time, otherwise fine feedback)...over a $5.00 item...cancelling bids is a serious matter...you deserve 3 negs. You should send that bidder a nice long apology for being such a ninny, and then go away to wherever bad sellers go to...... jeeezzz...all this over a $5.00 item.....>holy cow, you do have too much time, and not enough sense on your end. I think I have too much time on my hands as well, but perhaps this will teach other sellers something
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.if you had just let things go, as you should have....the specht would have won at $13.00 probably...whoppee!!!!...but maybe there would have been a bidding war and it could have gone for a lot more. Oh well...... you got what you deserved, only $5.00...and the postcard went to the right person for a lot less than he/she was willing to pay....gee...all this over $5.00.
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.you have made my list of blocked sellers
[ edited by pointy on Dec 13, 2002 05:21 PM ]
posted on December 13, 2002 05:41:20 PM new
Hey Pointy,
easy there killer, I think after Neglus read some of the advice here, and thought it through, he/she realized the hastyness of her ways and he now wishes it went down differently. Sometimes good sellers are made (by learning form mistakes) rather than born.
posted on December 13, 2002 10:09:23 PM new
gee pointy what do want..blood? my first born?? (you are welcome to pay her college tuition if you do) I SAID I WAS WRONG! I ABSOLUTELY DID NOT SEE THE HOSPITAL RESPONSE OR I WOULD NOT HAVE CANCELLED THE BID!
Where were you all at the time i had to make the decision anyway? While $5 items may not seem like any big deal to you, they are my bread and butter....
I am an excellent seller! I am honest and offer very good merchandise at a reasonable price and am very attentive to my auctions and buyers' requests. I am selling on eBay full-time and in it for the long haul. I am courteous and, thanks to the excellent programs available through Auction Watch, very good in communicating every step of the process to my buyers. I ship promptly and will even send merchandise for free if I think I overstated the condition..I have never had an item returned but I do stand behind my product. I am the sort of seller everyone hopes they are dealing with when they make their bid...i absolutely do not subscribe to the "buyer beware" motto.
I did send an apology to the bidder FYI. I had to make a decision in haste and posted here for input and the input at the time was "cancel the bid"...this is the first and only one i have ever cancelled but I don't think it is such a serious matter as you evidently do. The only injured party was me really - I sold my item for much less than its potential. The beneficiary was the other bidder who looks like he has a connection to the item anyway..the bid cancellation record stays with the auction and does not attach to the bidder like a negative feedback would. He's only out the possibility of winning the card.
So please cut me some slack! It takes a real woman to say she made a mistake...now about the college tuition..please send a check to...
posted on December 14, 2002 07:39:21 AM new
Goodmorning Neglus
I also agree with YOU, enough is enough.
I know exactly how your feeling and what your saying and believe me when I say,,,,,,,I have stood in your spot a few times myself.
I would be happy if I got a seller like yourself when I do purchase on Ebay.
Mistakes are something that helps us to grow, and without them we would stand still in our learning.
I didn't see your posting till after you had canceled the bid, which if I did see it sooner I would have given my opinion, as I did, but like yourself, my opinion was not accepted with open arms, but instead I was criticized for how I thought, as you saw.
But that never stops me from being who I am and how I think or saying how I feel.
Don't be so hard on yourself for the decision that you made at the time. I would have probably done what you did If I had many people also give me advice to cancel. This decision I don't believe was yours it was influenced by the majority of minds, and you were the tool.
Please Enjoy your Holidays!!!
posted on December 14, 2002 09:07:56 AM new
neglus.....I see that I was a bit overzealous on this one, and I do apologize if I've hurt you. I cut you slack. You are absolved. I overreacted. It was that hospital business that got me. Been there, done that. If you overlooked it fine, we can all make mistakes. Live and learn. I think that I should have directed my feelings more towards all those that were so quick to advise you to cancel. You did come here looking for advice, and you got a lot of wrong advice. I wish that I was here at that time so I could have given you my bit of friendly advice. Let's close the book on this one.
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.Happy Holidays
The high bidders neg feedbacks date back to january/feb 2002 but 2 negs/12 pos is not very encouraging...is there anything I can do or should i just wait til he stiffs me and then offer to other bidder?
yet the other bidder was willing to pay twice that..