posted on April 17, 2004 08:58:42 AM
i am sure this question been posed, but i would appreciate your [repeated]input...i have japanese sale, paid via paypal, it is UNconfirmed and unverified...type of payment is "instant." does bidder have the usual abilities to create a chargeback on an instant payment...the reason i ask, is that on my account, the payment doesnt show whether to "accept" or "deny." payment...surely would appreciate any input...
myoldtoy
posted on April 17, 2004 09:04:55 AM
Accepting paypal for overseas payment is risky, because you are not protected as there is no delivery confirmation. You should accept based on your level of risk. Some people will never accept paypal for overseas payment. I've accepted many overseas payments without problems, but if the amount reached something I was uncomfortable with, I would ask them to use bidpay.
posted on April 17, 2004 09:17:57 AM
I do and never have had a problem. Yes, there is a risk but that risk is also on any PayPal account whether confirmed or unconfirmed. It is also a risk with eDC and the postal service. If we have eDC on an insured package and it shows it was delivered the USPS doesn't have to pay. We take risks everyday.
In the real world, I think PayPal has to rethink their policies and everyone should be verified. Why as sellers should we take a risk and sell to an unconfirmed buyer. Since eBay owns paypal changes should be made. Or maybe if everyone refuses to take PayPal eBay would rethink their policy. I know that will never happen, just thinking again.
posted on April 17, 2004 09:39:29 AM
thanks to both you for the input...i dont normally sell intl..so am ignorant of some ins and outs..i wsnt sure what instant payment meant..this is a $170 sale, not exactly small deal for me..the bidder has ignored my several emails; then when i sent followup invoice, stating that i didnt accept paypal, only bidpay on intl sales, guess what...she paid by paypal..this is not to insinuate that this type behavior exclusive to intl bidders either...
tanx again, myoldtoy
posted on April 17, 2004 10:23:44 AM
I accept PayPal from any country and have never had a problem. Usually get around 10 per week that are internetional.
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posted on April 17, 2004 01:55:08 PM
With Paypal, you are at your overseas customer's mercy. All your customer has to do is tell Paypal they never received the package and Paypal will immediately chargeback the payment. And there's not a thing you can do about it.
posted on April 17, 2004 10:59:35 PM
After I got burned by the PayPal loop hole, large hole too, I put right in my auctions, auctionpayments.com only. In your case, I would check his/her feedback on ebay and see how many payment have been made via PayPal to see if any of their seller got burned. You can bet if they did, it will be in the feedback. And if their feedback is less than 50, refund and tell them to pay how you state.
posted on April 18, 2004 04:05:52 AM
Japanese customers also have a cheap option of Postal Money Orders in US$ payable at all US Post Offices. Available at most Japanese PO for 500 yen... called "kokusai kawasai"
posted on April 18, 2004 01:42:45 PM
i would like to ask another question about the overseas paypal..but first, it concerns..
..multiple transaction auctions[9], since i informed bidder that i would only accept bidpay, and that my invoice price for s/h/i was based on that, i have had the emails go silent..two unanswered in 3 days...then she pays by paypal, unconfirmed, etc. i sent third email advising that i was refunding the transaction...and that she had the option to pay per my terms of sale sent her via email...
YES, FINALLY MY QUESTION...when i file npb[ers], nine should get her suspended?
TANX, myoldtoy
posted on April 18, 2004 04:27:23 PM
your nine would just count as one .
how much is the bidpay fee for her items??
some just dont want to pay the fee,others may find it cumbersome to use,dont forget english is not everyone's mother tongue.
you can send her a bidpay invoice if that helps/
where is she located
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posted on April 18, 2004 04:57:56 PM
does paypal verify overseas member's bank account??
for US members,it would be easy for paypal to do ACH and make 2 desposits of under one dollar.
but with overseas banks,it would be intl wiretransfer and there is usually a wiretransfer fee,say 35 dollars .
i doubt paypal would pay that kind of money to verify a memeber bank account/
does any one know??
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posted on April 18, 2004 05:09:30 PM
STOP.
thanks for input...[1]to recoup fvf, wont i have to enter each of the 9 auctions individually?
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[2] verify bank acct.? not sure what you trying to tell me???
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[3] it is my understanding that unless its a confirmed address, paypal wont insure the transaction...so if bidder claims nondeliverance, etc., paypal gonna honor any chargeback..i dont have a problem with the bidder's history[its good], my problem is that i cannot get delivery confirmation...and this is a $170 sale...
can you shed any light on any other way to protect the transaction?
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posted on April 18, 2004 07:37:41 PM
yes,you have to file FVF on each transaction.
the question on bank verification is really meant for all the forum members.
if your overseas bidder paid you with paypal and you accepted and shipped,paypal offers no protection.
if he pays with paypal fund,he could complain to paypal he did not get the items and you lose.
if he pays with credit card thru paypal,and he complains to paypal,you lose.
if paypal ignores him or it is past 30 days,he files chargeback with his credit card company,paypal will take the money away from you plus a 10 dollars chargeback fee.
bidpay of course will have him buy u a money order,so thats the best deal for you or depending on where he is,postal money order is cheap -canada and japan post office sell us postal order you can cash in your post office,someone has suggested that already.
or he can send you cash or go to his bank and buy a money order or draft drawn on a us bank.
sometimes i will split the bidpay fee with my customer,you may consider that.
where is this bidder?if he knows how to bid on usa ebay,he must know how to get you the us dollars
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posted on April 18, 2004 07:42:24 PM
you can also buy U-PIC insurance online (check the list of countries they dont insure).if he said he did not get it,then you two both have to sign forms saying you ship and he did not get the item.
u-pic has a website which explains all these.
where is your buyer??i have no problem so far with my overseas bidders except indonesian and nigerian and middle easterner
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[ edited by stopwhining on Apr 18, 2004 07:43 PM ]
posted on April 18, 2004 10:01:51 PM
Stop - Paypal does verify UK members. They also operate directly in the UK where bank transfers are quite ordinary. Probably 70% of my UK buyers are "Verified Non US Members".
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posted on April 18, 2004 10:06:56 PM
Toy - the only way to make sure that your international sale does not come back to bite you is to not use PayPal. You can use AuctionPayments.com if they would like to use their credit card. Otherwise there are money orders, Western Union, Cerrtfied Checks, travelers checks, or International money orders. If they are in the UK - make sure you make it clear that Postal Orders are not acceptable. (They cannot be cashed here).
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posted on April 19, 2004 05:11:29 AM
tanx to all you'all for the f/back...
Stop: "i have a japanese buyer, etc."
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Fenix: thanks, i had already predicated the sale on bidpay...customer arbitrarily paid via paypal, simply ignored my last 3 emails concerning payment, i am assume she decided i would accept her way to paybecause it[b/pay] didnt serve her purpose, and that i the seller was too greedy to turn down a "sure" thing..
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at any rate, i have refunded her monies...
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as you put it F. if you dont wanta get bit, etc.
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i do some business intnal'ly, but i have always thought that Confirmed was in fact insurable by paypal..is it?
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tanx again.
myoldtoy
posted on April 19, 2004 05:11:33 AM
thanks fenix,it is good to know paypal can verifiy UK bidders.
i but some of my prescription drug from a mexican website,i notice they dont accept paypal anymore,come to think of it,they get no seller protection even though they ship from cancun,mexico to usa registered mail.
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[ edited by stopwhining on Apr 19, 2004 05:13 AM ]
posted on April 19, 2004 05:31:44 AMSW: sorry, I was referring to VERIFIED UK folks, such verification still does not help us USA sellers -- nor does the CANADIAN CONFIRMED addresses, which only protect CANADIAN sellers!
posted on April 19, 2004 08:30:54 AM
Stop - I am willing to bet that your pharmacy had their PayPal account locked. I think it probably has less to do with chargebacks and more to do with large amounts of money and the potential of illegal importation by individuals of prescription narcotics. I'll also bet that PayPal locked the account down when it had a nice hefty balance and the pharmacy is still trying to recoup those funds.
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posted on April 19, 2004 10:11:32 AM
i dont know ,fenix,all i see on their website are wholesome us licensed prescription drug like prevacid,bumex etc.they are better than the ones we buy here as they are individually blistered packed.
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posted on April 19, 2004 11:57:29 AMfenix: I too buy scripts from MEXICO & the reputable pharms there DO NOT sell schedule drugs -- only super savings on reg meds
EXAMPLE: 30 PREVACID for $50.00, compared to $189 in the USA
posted on April 19, 2004 12:10:34 PM
tom,you must buy from where i buy-is that the one which shipped from cancun??
does prevaicid make you constipated??
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on April 19, 2004 12:57:14 PM
Stop - go take a nap, when you wake up, have a little snack and then reread the post.
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