jennylynng
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posted on July 13, 2004 07:06:48 AM
One more time, please. Maybe someday I can help one of you with something. I really hope so. Anyway, I know brass doesn't generally do well, but I'm trying to identify this old solid brass vase. Here's a photo of it (thanks to your help I can actually post it) and one of the bottom. I think it's a pretty interesting piece, but I may be the only one that thinks that! Thanks in advance! Oh, yeah - it's about 9-1/2" tall and weighs over 2-1/2 lbs.!
Jenny
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on July 13, 2004 07:30:48 AM
Are you sure it's brass - could it be bronze?
If you could get someone to read the Oriental marks on the bottom - it would date it.
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stopwhining
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posted on July 13, 2004 07:32:11 AM
this looks like brass,may be Korean.
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jennylynng
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posted on July 13, 2004 07:40:38 AM
I don't know - I guess I assumed it was brass. I really don't know how to tell the difference between the two. I also thought it was Japanese. Which, of course, is why I'm posting here - "I know nothing."
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on July 13, 2004 07:45:16 AM
Is it heavy for the size? Did you polish it?
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jennylynng
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posted on July 13, 2004 08:18:25 AM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's brass. Yes, it's very heavy for its size and no, I did not polish it. I didn't think I should. Thanks again!
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 08:19:12 AM
If you polish it, the genie may come out!
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jennylynng
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:08:00 AM
Oooooh! You think? I could use a genie! Just three wishes, that's all I want! Really, though, I thought you shouldn't polish an old brass thing like this. If ya'll tell me to (yes, I'm extremely Southern), I'll do it. You think I should?
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:16:58 AM
lol meadow
Seriously don't polish it - but it looks like some one did at some point. If you have a bronze dealer in your area - I would see if they would look at it for you. The casting on the bottom looks more like bronze than brass. If you can scratch it in a inconspicuous place and if it is bronze it will look like gold underneath. It could be bronze IMO and if so is worth more. Worth a checking out - again IMO
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sparkz
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:20:23 AM
Never polish brass or bronze unless you are keeping it for yourself. Let the new owner make that decision. Besides, a gentle rub is all that is needed to get that Genie to come out.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:24:57 AM
Don't polish it. I was only kidding! LOL!
If I could figure out how to insert a music file here and have it play the theme from "I Dream of Jeannie", I would have been tempted.
But it would probably would have irritated the heck out of everyone else!
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petpost
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:36:15 AM
A Roman Empire spitoon?
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:40:55 AM
Petpost, LOL!
Spitoon was my first thought as well.
Jenny,
It really is a nice vase, just ignore us!
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 09:50:14 AM
[ edited by meadowlark on Jul 13, 2004 10:10 AM ]
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jennylynng
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posted on July 13, 2004 10:12:02 AM
Oh boy! A genie!! Thank you! Okay, so I did a tiny little scratch and it is sparkly gold looking under there. Hmmmm. Guess I should try to find a bronze dealer, huh? A spittoon, for real? Nah - this is a vase. I thought spittoons were always squattier looking. Is squattier even a word? I don't think so.
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 10:34:10 AM
"Squattier" works for me!
Naw, only has a teeny resemblance in shape to a spitoon. Some of us just have a very irreverant sense of humor!
Spitoon:
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Japerton
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posted on July 13, 2004 11:00:19 AM
I can not tell, fonts make a difference. The circular shapes in the writing could be made into small rectangles. The Korean Alphabet, according the story I was told, was envisioned fitting in a window frame. I was a kid, okay? But basically it's a rectangular shape, with circles, unlike Japanese and Chinese.
Here is an interesting link:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/korean.htm
But, they utilize a lot of "imported" characters.
Remember: language is carried on the shields of conquering nations.
BTW, I recall my Mom buying massive amounts of Brass while in Korea.
I know a jewelry expert can do the breakdown: isn't bronze zinc and copper and brass has iron in it?
hmmm.
Less helpful, more meditative, eh?
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buyhigh
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posted on July 13, 2004 04:43:25 PM
Believe bronze is an alloy of copper and tin and brass is an alloy of copper and zinc( in varying proportions.. There is no iron in it ( brass) or else a magnet would stick to brass which it does not.
buyhigh
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meadowlark
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posted on July 13, 2004 05:31:43 PM
Buyhigh,
You are right that there is no iron in brass or bronze. However, did you know not all alloys of iron are magnetic?
I did some quick internet research a few weeks ago when a girl on a private mail list stated that a well-known brand of stainless cookware (Revere Ware) had to be aluminum since a magnet didn't stick. She threw all hers out!
I KNEW they were stainless and quickly posted a link to that list showing that certain stainless, #305 and #316 do indeed contain iron but are not magnetic. Those two varieties are primarily used for cooking utensils.
Here's the link if anyone is interested:
(scroll down to page 4)
http://www.manufacturingadvice.org.uk/pluto-resources/1212.pdf
I also found out that the reason stainless does not oxidize. It is absolutely amazing:
http://www.euro-inox.org/pdf/home/Self_Repair_EN.pdf
Here are a few URLs describing different brass and bronze alloys:
http://www.budgetcastingsupply.com/Metals.htm
http://www.copper.org/resources/properties/microstructure/brasses.html
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buyhigh
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posted on July 13, 2004 08:44:18 PM
Nope - did not know that since I never tried sticking a magnet to the Revere Ware when I owned it - No reason to since I knew it was stainless steel with a copper plated bottom. Will check out the sites you mention.
buyhigh
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