OhMsLucy
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posted on August 20, 2004 06:51:59 PM new
Hi everybody,
I'm in a quandary... I have this nice old Gouda vase and can't decide whether it's Art Deco or Art Nouveau so I thought I'd put it up for votes.
There seems to be quite a bit of overlap between the two styles. To me, Art Nouveau is more tendrilly (is that a word?) while Art Deco is more angular.
The date symbol on the bottom is for 1930.
I've looked all over the net and eBay and can't find a single vase in this shape. Don't know if shape is a part of the style...
Okay, that said, now I'm going to sit back and enjoy a glass or two (yeah, right...) of Two-Buck while I tally the votes! 
Lucy
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max40
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posted on August 20, 2004 07:27:34 PM new
Put me down for Deco. Bright colors, abstract design both in the shape and the decoration. Not to mention it was made in 1930.
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upriver
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posted on August 20, 2004 07:54:32 PM new
Art Nouveau Period = 1890 to 1914
Art Deco Period = 1908 to 1935
Basic guidelines.
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OhMsLucy
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posted on August 20, 2004 08:08:03 PM new
Thanks both of you!
I'm excited about this find. It's a wonderful piece and I want to be sure I describe it correctly.
Lucy
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Roadsmith
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posted on August 20, 2004 08:08:51 PM new
I too vote for Art Deco. Pretty item, Lucy!
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iareateacher
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posted on August 20, 2004 09:48:03 PM new
I've looked all over the net and eBay and can't find a single vase in this shape.
Oh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1044&item=3740415793&rd=1
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getalife
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posted on August 21, 2004 08:57:28 AM new
I don't think it is Deco or Nouveau. Objects are defined by their style and not necessarily by the date they were created.
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OhMsLucy
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posted on August 21, 2004 09:15:35 AM new
Getalife,
How would you describe the style?
Lucy
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iareateacher
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posted on August 21, 2004 09:22:10 AM new
I don't think it is Deco or Nouveau. Objects are defined by their style and not necessarily by the date they were created.
As a purist, I agree with you. Pity the poor Deco collector who has to slog through thousands of "Art Deco" rubbish listings to get to the good stylistic examples.
But then there is the UK system of dating, where an object is generally considered to be from the period in which a certain sovereign reigned. Victorian andirons, Georgian silver, Edwardian white gold jewelry, etc. These terms have also been horribly abused in the US and have nearly lost their useful meaning.
In terms of this vase, I think it's just Gouda. Very typical decoration for Gouda of any period, not particularly Art Deco or any other style than its own.
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iareateacher
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posted on August 21, 2004 09:23:15 AM new
If you need a word, "bulbous" comes to mind.
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 21, 2004 10:15:22 AM new
Not Art Deco! Art Deco is defined by its geometric shapes. Too much flow in this piece. Looks like a gourd vase and maybe describe it using Dutch terms. It's very ethnic in design and very Dutch!!!
Cheryl
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jwpc
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posted on August 21, 2004 10:36:29 AM new
Mrs. Lucy – I have to agree with someone else who said it doesn’t reflect, by design, either Art Deco or Art Nouveau.
I noticed your “protection name” on your picture, I am sure you are aware that such can EASILY be removed. I occasionally use our name across our photographs to protect them from copiers, BUT I put it in a bright color across the design of the item, which makes copying the photo not worth the time it would take to remove the signature.
http://www.admiralsawesomeknives.com/images/example1.jpg
Above is your piece with the signature removed, which only took about 1 minute. Those who “attempt” to protect photographs with some of the watermark procedures, are even easier to copy as most are near the bottom or to the side of the item in the photo and it is simple to remove the “watermark.” Then there are those who (outside of eBay) who try to protect with a java system which pops up a note and “seemingly” doesn’t allow copying the picture in a normal manner……that one is easy too, just go to “view source,” pull all of the html, pick out the picture URL, and either copy it at its original place on the web, or take the html to a complete form of FrontPage or Dream Weaver, paste, and simply remove the picture.
Putting something unique in the picture is seldom a hindrance, as such can also be painted out.
Writing one’s name on the original picture, particularly if the item has lots of design, and putting your name in the middle of the design is about the only way to protect a picture against theft from most picture stealers.
On the other hand, a “rare” piece shouldn’t need a protection, as the odds of anyone else having the exact item would be rare.
Best of wishes with your sale of this unique item.
[ edited by jwpc on Aug 21, 2004 10:37 AM ]
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OhMsLucy
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posted on August 21, 2004 10:46:28 AM new
Jwpc,
Regarding your comments about picture copyrighting and the ease with which a picture can be altered... I knew that.
Lucy
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mingotree
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posted on August 21, 2004 11:30:25 AM new
The pattern isn't Art Deco but put that in your auction anyway....not many people know the difference.
For example "Art Deco 1950's Elvis Presley Radio"
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 21, 2004 11:33:14 AM new
mingotree
That's very deceptive and I don't think Lucy would go to such lengths!
Cheryl
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iareateacher
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posted on August 21, 2004 11:50:14 AM new
I like it on a plain white background...less distracting.
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max40
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posted on August 21, 2004 11:53:47 AM new
Cheryl
"Not Art Deco! Art Deco is defined by its geometric shapes. Too much flow in this piece."
Ever heard of Erte?
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iareateacher
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posted on August 21, 2004 12:04:46 PM new
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=art+deco&r=67
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Roadsmith
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posted on August 21, 2004 12:47:20 PM new
Max is right. Erte was a designer in the first third of the century. Just sold a book of his works, and the author called it art nouveau verging into art deco in his later years. Lots of flow there.
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pelorus
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posted on August 21, 2004 02:07:37 PM new
I vote for neither term. But you can call it Art Deco in your auction because there's no definitive answer and let the bidders make up their own minds. Someone will be pleased as punch to get it.
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iareateacher
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posted on August 21, 2004 03:05:11 PM new
I see. So according to you the following titles would be acceptable:
Art Deco nostril douche
Sony Handycam, barely used, Art Deco
The complete Art Deco works of Pamela Anderson
Portrait of Bozo the Clown in his Art Deco period
But hey, the important thing is getting those eyeballs, right?
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longtime1
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posted on August 21, 2004 04:19:13 PM new
That's a very pretty vase. Good find. I think that it's neither deco nor nouveau. A good title might read "Gouda deco-nouveau bulbous dutch floral vase".
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Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town, or in transit, or in surgery in the hospital, or all 3..... when your auction ends.....whenever that is. Would you end the auction early and sell to me? Please!
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upriver
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posted on August 21, 2004 04:30:06 PM new
iareateacher,
With all due respect, Pamela Anderson is definitely Art Nouveau.
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tomwiii
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posted on August 21, 2004 05:10:38 PM new
I'm still trying to visualize where she's been a sticking her nose lately...EEEWEWEWH!
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on August 21, 2004 05:37:15 PM new
I think Gouda is best known for Art Deco. Just use both in the description (Art Deco in the title)
You should do well with this either way
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 21, 2004 05:46:53 PM new
I'm still sticking with not Art Deco. I collect Art Deco and if anything, it's a transitional piece. Even that's a stretch given the time line for the Art Deco period. It may be a piece that's moving out of the Deco period.
Gouda has been around since Medieval times. I doubt Art Deco is all they did.
Roadsmith
Art Nouveau verging into Art Deco doesn't make it Art Deco. I've heard of Erte.
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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jwpc
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posted on August 21, 2004 09:16:27 PM new
Personally I vote for:
Portrait By Bozo the Clown in his Art Deco period
I think that would definitely get some attention.
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sparkz
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posted on August 21, 2004 09:25:03 PM new
Art Deco Nostril Douche? I'll bet one of those would bring a hefty price. I'm going to the flea market tomorrow, and I'm gonna have every vendor out there looking for one for me.
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davebraun
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posted on August 22, 2004 06:39:53 AM new
I'd like to bid on the Bozo portait
http://www.clown-ministry.com/images/bob-bell-bozo-clown-color.jpg
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OhMsLucy
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posted on August 22, 2004 09:48:26 AM new
Good morning,
Although I do know the difference between escargot and Aebleskiver pans, I'm far from knowledgeable about styles. That's why I asked the question in the first place.
Since the vase is traditional Gouda style, not Art Deco or Art Nouveau, that's how I will describe it. To do otherwise would be misleading.
Many thanks for the constructive comments. Much appreciated.
Lucy
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