posted on January 29, 2005 04:05:23 PM
Any help in identifyingthis one would be greatly appreciated. been in he family for at least 50 years. Again family historian at work says Boxer rebellion period (not that I have a clue when that was mind you). BTW - anyone know if there is a reason there are saucers/plates but no cups? Would it have come this way or where they possibly just lost (or in an as yet unpacked box)?
Whole Set
Tray
Only mark on bottom
Saucer/Plate
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Jan 29, 2005 04:05 PM ]
posted on January 29, 2005 04:46:24 PM
Gorgeous set!
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posted on January 30, 2005 08:06:51 AM
fenix,
boxer rebellion is early 19th c Chinese event,a bunch of macho chinese men think they are invincible and can use their bodies and martial arts to fend off western bullets.
Your set is not Chinese,it is japanese,look at the women in japanese kimono,the pagodas and the mt fuji.
someone who is expert on early japanse ware should clue you on the mark,there should be cups,how else can they drink tea/coffee from?
this is probably made for export-see the sugar and creamer for coffee.
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posted on January 30, 2005 08:32:55 AM
I have an old old HUGE vase that has Japanese characters and scenes on it. I took it to the san francisco asian museum during family day. I was told that it was actually made in China. during a certain period (I don't remember when), pottery came from China with Japanese styles on them. I have a few different pieces that are made the same way
Edited to add: AFTERTHOUGHT - I think the key to this mystery is the markings on the back. Someone who reads this writing can tell you if it is Japanese or Chinese.
[ edited by paloma91 on Jan 30, 2005 08:42 AM ]
posted on January 30, 2005 08:41:40 AM
Thanks guys. I completely agree that it is Japanese. The "Family Historian" is a bit of a nutcase and we have great joy with the stories. Seems that everything that has an oriental feel to it in any way shape or form came from the Boxer Rebellion.
Any idea what they charachter is Stop? Dating this thing is going to be a pain.
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posted on January 30, 2005 09:47:34 AM
The Characters are geisha. And yes there should be cups. Just do an ebay search and you will find lots of it. However, this is not the traditional post-war geisha, not the victoria era geisha. I have never seen a set like yours, so can't say the age for sure.
Judging from style and what I can tell of the weight, I would have guessed 1980's. But if you KNOW it has been in the family for 50 years, go for an earlier date.
Just a note... may not pertain to your set, but many people assume that since it came from Grandma's china cabinet that it is old. But no! Grandma maybe old, but I seriously doubt that everything in her china cabinet is, lol.
posted on January 30, 2005 10:30:51 AM
I would not date this earlier than the 1950's. Could even be 60's. And yes, Stop is very right. It's Japanese. And, if I'm not mistaken (and I could very well be), it was the Japanese who mimicked the Chinese and not the other way around. At any rate, a Chinese maker wouldn't put Mt Fuji on his wares. The blue and white patterns were most often mimicked.
Cheryl
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posted on January 30, 2005 11:23:52 AM
LT - I agree on the grandmas china Cabinet. In this case there is actually a 60 somehing family member that remembers this set from childhood.
Classic - Now now now - there will be no attempting to apply logic to the tales of the Family Historian.
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posted on January 30, 2005 11:43:07 AM
if they have been in family for 50 years,thats dating back to 1950s ,could be hong kong made.
cant see the mark as the red color is too dominat,you need to zero in on the marks.
Japanese kansii characters are chinese characters.
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