cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 26, 2006 08:14:30 AM
This is an attractive item, for what little I know. The woman who brought it in said that someone had offered her $600 for it; my response was "don't lose their phone number!" 
I do not know if the box was original with the pendant, but have included a photo in case someone recognizes it.
Thanks in advance. I try not to be gender-challenged on handbags, jewelry, etc., and I've learned quite a bit, but this vintage stuff makes me cross-eyed.
Claude
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roadsmith
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posted on January 26, 2006 11:45:10 AM
That's gorgeous! Hope you get your answers.
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hwahwa
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posted on January 26, 2006 11:48:49 AM
what is the phone number??
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on January 26, 2006 12:16:00 PM
A few questions - is it white gold or silver? Any marks - look inside the bale as well as around the rim etc.
It looks like a Danish enamel piece or maybe French. Something like GUILLOCHE enamel but there is another name for it too.
Could you do a real close up of the pendant itself, including the chain that is attached to the bale?
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on January 26, 2006 03:13:23 PM
Did Mrs. Stevens tell you where she got it?
Lady J. might be onto something. I wouldn't be surprised if it were French.
fLufF
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 26, 2006 03:24:54 PM
Fluffy, I'm not sure she's married , but she got it at an estate sale.
Ladyjewels, I don't think it is either white gold or silver. I think it is a "base" metal. My jeweler contact wasn't impressed, but he doesn't really care for anything vintage. I'll try to get a closeup tomorrow (it's in the shop, and I'm home).
The birds are, I think, gold.
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birgittaw
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posted on January 26, 2006 03:37:10 PM
Not a jewelry maven by any means, but it reminds me of touristy Roman glass jewelry from Israel (or maybe it's the menorah in the box, which may or may not go with it, that brought that association).
B/
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LtRay
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posted on January 26, 2006 05:00:05 PM
My bet is with Ladyjewel. I love it!
Looks very french, definetly enamel probably a 1920's vintage. It should do well but I doubt $600 worth. More likely $100- 175.
The bail does not look to be original, but that is just my quick guess.
Keywords vintage, seed pearl, Doves,GUILLOCHE
http://oldxtimes.com/JE002054SSGuillochePendantAndChainImageOrder.htm
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LtRay
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posted on January 26, 2006 05:04:31 PM
Guilloché defined with pictures
http://www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/2001/aug01/0801v.html
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 26, 2006 05:54:19 PM
LtRay,
Coming from a position of ignorance, I had nevertheless guessed a figure more in line with yours than her offer. I will tell her that if the offer extended to her still stands, she should grab it. I'd be happy to list it otherwise, but don't expect to do as well as her offer.
Having said that, I've had a few surprises in auctions lately. Last night I got $550 for a 7' slide rule that I didn't expect to exceed $300, and possibly not break the $200 mark. Paid right away, too, including the $89 (!) shipping to California.
Claude
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on January 26, 2006 06:15:51 PM
Basse taille - that's the other type of enamel work that I was thinking about - good site LtRay.
Yes unless the it's at least sterling and signed by the maker - I think $600 is way out of line as well. It is very pretty. The pearls look real too.
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LtRay
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posted on January 26, 2006 08:00:15 PM
Cash, I saw your slide rule the other night. Would have been too cute leaning in a corner.So, have you sold Classic's girl friend yet??
I'm refering of course to the REAL Human Skeleton you have listed. I know it says its a boy but for some reason I was tempted to call it Classic's girlfriend, lol.
Price seems cheap for human bones. If you are into that kind of thing anyway.
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classicrock000
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posted on January 26, 2006 08:07:25 PM
Lt-I like'em thin...but thats a little much
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sparkz
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posted on January 26, 2006 09:13:46 PM
Claude...What you have there is a Chinese fertility pendant. Legend has it that any lady that wears it will become pregnant within two weeks. Nothing to worry about though, as long as you keep it hidden from your wife.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 27, 2006 05:01:39 AM
Sparkz, I'll be careful. The mailman already has 3 children
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 27, 2006 05:05:58 AM
LtRay,
The price was low mainly because of the missing piece in the back of the skull.
Somebody turned me in, apparently, and they bounced the listing. I called and complained, gave them the listing numbers of two other skeletons (one of which has been in a store for months), they said they'd look into it, and of course nothing has happened to the other listings.
My rep deflected most of my questions by saying that Trust and Safety have this process and that process; it was like a secret society where if you don't know the secret handshake, you're out. I think that Dick Cheney runs T & S when he's reported to be at his secret location.
Claude
PS I wasn't trying to be political with my Dick Cheney comment; I said so purely as a non-partisan joke.
[ edited by cashinyourcloset on Jan 27, 2006 05:06 AM ]
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LtRay
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posted on January 27, 2006 09:53:30 AM
I know it is illegal to sell actual human remains, but your item should have been ok since it had been properly prepared as a medical item.
I don't know the regs though, you might have to list it with the caveat that it can only be sold to a certified medical practitioner or institution.
Bummer they made you pull it.
[ edited by LtRay on Jan 27, 2006 10:09 AM ]
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 27, 2006 12:26:02 PM
The other 2 listings I asked them about didn't restrict the purchasers. One did include the phrase "This skeleton was prepared and is being offered for medical and educational use only." but so did I.
FWIW, they're still listed, and I'm not.
I honestly don't know where else to sell this other than on eBay.
Claude
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fleecies
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posted on January 27, 2006 06:46:24 PM
"Medical use" human skulls seems to be a lively business - they're getting as many bids as Fluffy's jewelry. Medical schools in China must be churning them out by the thousands. Interesting that from one guy's feedback (who sold a few hundred of them for Christmas), "medical use" seems to include "brightening up the living room", "one for every member of the family", and "just in time for the holidays."
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sparkz
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posted on January 27, 2006 07:02:09 PM
Claude...Why not prepare a flyer with complete description, picture and price. Send a copy to every chiropractor, orthopaedic surgeon and physical therapist in your county yellow pages.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 27, 2006 07:09:17 PM
Sparkz,
That's WAY too much like work
I think most of the professionals you mentioned prefer the plastic versions that are made today. This would probably be bought by someone who had been in the field, retired, and wants something in their den that reminds them of their work... just as it was for the person who consigned it to me.
Claude
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toasted36
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posted on January 27, 2006 07:13:11 PM
Claude didn't you say you lived in California ? Could list it in the want ads as a possible movie prop or as a Halloween display for a store like Hot Topic....the gothic thing.
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 27, 2006 09:08:11 PM
No, I live on that other coast, in New Jersey.
If push comes to shove, I'll have to return it to the owner. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but it does frost my shorts that the other two auctions that I reported are still there.
Aside from the eBay issue, I think the problem with selling this is that most educational (and show business) users of a skeleton would rather work with modern plastic imitation models; they're more sturdy, less expensive, and I think available in a greater variety of sizes.
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sparkz
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posted on January 27, 2006 10:03:52 PM
Get together with Jackswebb and see if he still has that coffin. Put the coffin and skeleton together and sell it to some yuppie in the San Fernando Valley who wants to plan a Halloween bash next year. You and he could split a bundle of dough. Or, simply list it as a coffin on Ebay. They won't have any objection to that. Just be sure you put "occupied" in the title and description.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 28, 2006 05:21:08 AM
The occupied coffin is a great idea!
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cblev65252
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posted on January 28, 2006 06:22:54 AM
Have you tried to contact any universities in your area? How about Craig's List? Just a thought.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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paloma91
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posted on January 28, 2006 07:29:19 AM
eeeuuuuw! an occupied coffin! I bet it WOULD sell very well considering the "Gross Factor" I thought it was illegal to own real human bones?!
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 28, 2006 07:33:10 AM
Paloma,
There might be restrictions around owning human bones, but the consignor is a retired professor, who had all sorts of teachers' aids.
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LtRay
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posted on January 28, 2006 08:14:31 AM
Cash, is that what happened to them after he had them??? (The aides) 
I think you meant teaching aides.
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on January 28, 2006 08:49:40 AM
LtRay,
No, I meant what I spelled. You are thinking of people who assist a teacher (aides). I was thinking of items such as charts, slides, skeletons, etc. used at a presention. That word is spelled aids, as in visual aids (not visual aides).
His wife was very nice, and I don't think she would be happy if he "had his aides."
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