greatlakes
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posted on March 30, 2006 10:07:38 AM new
OK, maybe I don't really understand fee avoidance. Are there different rules for power sellers? I came across some auctions such as auction # 7754974439
The bid is a penny, but shipping and handling is $59.50. I found auction after auction listed the same way.
I sent some item numbers to ebay and asked if this would be considered fee avoidance. Received a reply back that the auctions had been reviewed and evidently ebay sees nothing wrong.
So I'm wondering, at what level does fee avoidance begin with regard to very high S/H and a low openning bid?
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irked
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posted on March 30, 2006 10:28:52 AM new
Well if this item is almost 26 inches tall and is metal and alabaster what ever then yep shipping can be kinda high depending on what it weighs I am betting the shipping is at least in the $30-40$ range anyway if it does not weigh but around 20 lbs or less then yep the shipping is kinda high. But I am betting he is making money on his shipping not his bids.
I never bid on an item that looks like gouging of shipping and I do not gouge on my shipping. I have also been known to refund partial shipping if I do get it wrong by over $2.00 or more. I like to treat people fairly.
I don't think Ebay cares one way or another, I think they make up the rules just for grins to see if anyone is paying attention then don't enforce those rules--(except dumb ones they enforce) I turned in a guy once too for exorbitant shipping on an item that weighed about 2 oz and ebay could care less and never did anything to this person, their shipping was $69.00 for a 2 oz item--go figure.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on March 30, 2006 10:40:27 AM new
not to mention... it probably takes some careful packaging and special shipping materials (boxes, maybe even a crate, padding, etc...) to safely ship this item. There s/h doesn't seem out of line to me... and certainly well within the range you'd expect to pay in mail-order catalogs.
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sparkz
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posted on March 30, 2006 11:15:12 AM new
He might be making a couple of bucks on shipping, but he certainly is not gouging. If his description is accurate, there is probably not a single seller in this forum who would undertake the task of safely packing and shipping this item from the west coast to the east coast for $59.00. At the very least the package will be os/1 which will be a 30# minimum. However, I suspect the final weight will be substantially more than that. And to meet UPS stringent requirements for safe packing, you are looking at an intensive labor and material situation to get that thing ready to ship. The only thing I see wrong with his auctions is that he doesn't disclose which items he ships himself and which are drop shipped.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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classicrock000
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posted on March 30, 2006 11:24:19 AM new
so if hes only making a couple of bucks on shipping,why go thru all that aggravation??
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sparkz
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posted on March 30, 2006 11:38:36 AM new
Classic...He's gambling that the penny starting bid will encourage early bidders and that it will close at a high price. He likes the excitement of uncertainty. He probably also flips off traffic cops on the freeway just to see if he can get away with it.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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dblfugger9
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posted on March 30, 2006 11:57:40 AM new
Listen if you think car dealers and mechanics do not make a percentage of profit on the "parts" sale along with the labor you are incorrect. A reasonable amount of shipping markup should be allowed and even expected.
Sparkz your damn*maps are all screwed up. 
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ArtNouveau
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posted on March 30, 2006 12:21:21 PM new
This piece in not made from alabaster but “stone-finish alabastrite,” which a nonsensical way of saying cast white plastic. It’s not as heavy as it looks and could even be hollow. Admittedly, shipping would still cost a few bucks just based on size.
I suspect their cost for cast resin and cheap wiring is minimal and they have all their profit in excess shipping charges, which is still probably not much. Anything more than a penny here is probably gravy. I agree that it’s reasonable to expect a fair profit on shipping.
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hwahwa
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posted on March 30, 2006 12:27:31 PM new
If the seller is in country like China ,a few US dollars translated to 25-50 dollars in China.
If the seller is in Rwanda,a few US dollars can feed the family for a month
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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stonecold613
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posted on March 30, 2006 01:30:10 PM new
Did anyone see his/her feedback percentage?
Seller: vintagegiftshop ( 509) 
Feedback: 97.6% Positive
Turn this person in for having too low of a percentage to be a powerseller.
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on March 30, 2006 02:25:24 PM new
The reason I suspect it's a gouge (or at least a partial gouge) is that they don't allow pickups. Sometimes people think that I charge too much on shipping (usually because they're ignorant about oversized charges); usually I answer politely, but sometimes I tell them to come pick it up for free, or offer them a job as my shipping manager if they can send an over-sized item to California for $5 just because it's light.
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fenix03
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posted on March 30, 2006 02:34:21 PM new
I don't allow pick-ups either.
I don't want customers coming to my home (it's hard enough gettign rid of them when they call) and I don't want to have to take time out of my day to go meet someone somewhere. If I wanted contact with my customers, I would have started a B&M.
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agitprop
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posted on March 30, 2006 02:44:31 PM new
Their is a fine distinction between avoidance and evasion - ask your friendly IRS inspector for details when getting your next rectal examination...
Avoidance uses legal methods to reduce the amount payable.
Evasion means to (temporarily) escape what is payable.
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tOMWiii
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posted on March 30, 2006 02:46:02 PM new
ALL (or at least MOST -- I didn't look at all his pages) of these items are DROP-SHIPPED goodies from that classic volume of dreck: "World of Products", affectionately known in the trade as: "WOP"
THAT'S why there's NO pick-up, I'd imagine...
THESE are items sold by SUCKERS like RALPH who join "Drop-Shipping" clubs, which he did before I smacked him upside the head...
THUS: ya have thousands of eBayers selling the same Mr.Hanky products, drop-shipped from the same depressing catalog...
I'm still embarassed that my dumb-assed DOG/roomie/BIZ PARDNER ever signed-up for this nonsense -- that's the last time he's ever allowed to peruse the VD ADVERTISERS' PAGE euphemistically titled: "Seller Resources!"
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[ edited by tOMWiii on Mar 30, 2006 02:49 PM ]
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ArtNouveau
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posted on March 30, 2006 03:35:24 PM new
LOL Cash,
Can you imagine the high bidder showing up at your home for pick with only a shiny new penny? This thing couldn’t cost more to ship than a plastic Santa.
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ArtNouveau
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posted on March 30, 2006 03:36:18 PM new
OOPs, sorry for the double post.
[ edited by ArtNouveau on Mar 30, 2006 03:37 PM ]
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on March 30, 2006 05:01:43 PM new
Good points... I had forgotten that most eBayers don't have storefronts. It always struck me that eBay Drop Centers, which by definition have storefronts, should be happy to provide pickup, and many don't.
BTW, speaking of the penny, I once had a $1/NR auction blow up on me (i.e. sell for $1), and sure enough they picked it up and had a reseller's tax ID (making them exempt from sales tax). A red letter day for me
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stonecold613
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posted on March 30, 2006 08:00:37 PM new
One also has to wonder how he/she is selling over $1000 per month to keep the power seller status.
Checking out his/her closed auctions, nothing is selling for more than the low listing price. When added up, doesn't add up to over $1000.00 in ebay ending prices. Every auction is set up for fee avoidance.
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ladyjewels2000
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posted on March 31, 2006 01:02:04 AM new
WOW look at his FB - I think his customers think it's called something else.
Sure looks like fee avoidance to me - can't believe ebay allows this.
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jackswebb
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posted on March 31, 2006 11:08:40 PM new
E Fee does WahtEVER it wants to.....
Just another rainy day.
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jackswebb
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posted on March 31, 2006 11:10:27 PM new
Someone, please do a link,,,,,,thanks!
Just another rainy day.
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sparkz
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posted on March 31, 2006 11:16:04 PM new
[ edited by sparkz on Apr 1, 2006 09:01 AM ]
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jackswebb
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posted on March 31, 2006 11:27:47 PM new
this is WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy too Wideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......
anyway,,,,fee bay is NOT involved in Shipping rates....
Just another rainy day.
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on March 31, 2006 11:30:34 PM new
Here a shorter version
 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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stonecold613
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posted on April 1, 2006 08:36:37 AM new
And the feedback keeps dropping and Greebay does nothing. I know this person has been reported. I have done so on three of my ID's. So I know they are simply ignoring it. Clearly powersellers do not have to follow the rules.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=vintagegiftshop
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stonecold613
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posted on April 1, 2006 09:17:25 AM new
Now look at what this guy has listed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604472116
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annekila
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posted on April 1, 2006 10:26:53 AM new
At the top of that auction page are 4 of the same item that other HONEST sellers are offering. The shipping ranges from $12-$19.
I've found this type of auction before, and I have reported them. Nothing was done. I just don't understand what ebay means by fee avoidance....
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