merrie
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posted on February 18, 2007 07:05:51 AM
Ebay announced a "new direction."
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y07/m02/i07/s01
My question is, What are unproductive listings?? and who will make that determination??
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pmelcher
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posted on February 18, 2007 08:50:01 AM
That is kind of ominous, suppose 'they' decide any auction under $10.00 is 'unproductive" or choose not to allow relists that did not sell the first time? I thought each listing gave them money (at least I am paying every time I list and I know you all are too).
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tomwiii
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posted on February 18, 2007 08:53:32 AM
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y07/m02/i07/s01
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merrie
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posted on February 18, 2007 08:57:31 AM
Thanks Tom!!
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tomwiii
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posted on February 18, 2007 09:03:07 AM
Oi!
As Professor Ralphie J. Dawg says:
"Tis easier than Alpo Pie -- just walk this way:"
[url*]THEurlOFyerSITEgoesHERE[/url*]
...JUST remember to remove those stary thing-a-ma-bobs (*) and yer all set...
FOR PICS, just substitute img for url
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niel35
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posted on February 18, 2007 09:15:01 AM
I see they are advertising Bidville on that site. Whats the scoop on that auction site??
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roadsmith
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posted on February 18, 2007 10:34:55 AM
Oy vey. However, let's say eBay forbade any listings under $10. That would make the bottom $10 - not 1 cent as it can be now, stupidly.
For SOME categories of items, things that sell everywhere for more than $10, that could work for everyone. For things like books and other items some of us have to start lower, that could be a catastrophe.
That is, as long as Amazon doesn't change it's methods. A book I'd have to list for $10 on eBay could be listed on Amazon for a lower price so that would for sure eliminate an "unproductive listing" for eBay.
Just musing out loud, I guess.
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Thought for the day: Men are like fine wine . . They start out as grapes; and it's up to the women to stomp the crap out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have dinner with. ~Dave Barry
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basketweaver1123
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posted on February 18, 2007 11:41:41 AM
Maybe it's a fancy way of saying they will get rid of the .01 listings that are charging $75 s/h! I've actually seen much higher s/h charges on .01 listings!
Shelley
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merrie
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posted on February 18, 2007 11:44:58 AM
Just because something start at under $10 does not mean it will end at that price. If I am confident of the value and appeal of an item, I will start it at under a dollar and let the market determine the price. If it has limited appeal and my cost is more, of course I have to start it higher. Ebay always says in its listing jargon, "a lower starting price may attract more buyers." I can't see them eliminating lower starting prices. Maybe lower priced items that are in stores or fixed price. I don't think they really know what "unproductive listings" are. Perhaps items where there are many, many, many identical items that are not selling. I think they would be foolish to do anything drastic.
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pmelcher
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posted on February 18, 2007 12:19:36 PM
You are right, it would be foolish to change anything drasticly. They have shot themselves in the foot before and hopefully they have learned their lessons.
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sthoemke
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posted on February 18, 2007 02:22:51 PM
I think unproductive listings are listing by some of the mass sellers that list 700 available items in a single listing but don't get a single purchase.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on February 18, 2007 02:25:21 PM
expects that product development "should see continued leverage as eBay further utilizes offshore R&D capabilities."
This must be where the great idea of letting Chinese sellers sell for free came from...
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http://www.vintagepaperads.com
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hwahwa
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posted on February 18, 2007 02:33:19 PM
These days,there are plenty of items starting at under $10 and end at under $10.It is called supply and demand.
If Ebay wants to cut cost,enhance customer experience and improve profit margin,it should get rid of Ebay stores,eliminate free relisting if item sells second time and reduce the number of categories offered.
As far as seller charging high shipping fee as fee avoidance,Ebay can calculate FVF based on (item final bid and shipping),Yahoo does that with Yahoo shops.
Ebay 's perception of higher revenue per listing is listing fee plus FVF,not just listing fee.
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sthoemke
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posted on February 18, 2007 05:09:35 PM
ebay eliminated free relisting, if item sells second time, a long time ago.
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merrie
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posted on February 18, 2007 05:13:43 PM
Eliminated free relisting - No they didn't!!
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hwahwa
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posted on February 18, 2007 05:36:35 PM
Ebay still offer free relisting -notice when you relist ,ebay will say this listing may qualify for a refund if it sells,bla bla bla.
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hwahwa
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posted on February 18, 2007 05:37:22 PM
I guess any item which does not receive a bid is non productive,it is a LOSER .
just like you did not get a promotion in the office or no man ever ask you to marry him.
[ edited by hwahwa on Feb 18, 2007 05:38 PM ]
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pixiamom
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posted on February 18, 2007 07:19:10 PM
I had an unproductive cough once... If they only had Mucinex E (for eBay) our problems would be solved!
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ST0NEC0LD613
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posted on February 18, 2007 08:29:17 PM
ebay eliminated free relisting, if item sells second time, a long time ago.
Sad but true.
Ebay still offer free relisting -notice when you relist ,ebay will say this listing may qualify for a refund if it sells,bla bla bla
What ebay says is way different than what ebay does.
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ST0NEC0LD613
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posted on February 18, 2007 08:30:52 PM
It's ebay's way of saying that another fee hike is just around the corner.
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cblev65252
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posted on February 19, 2007 05:25:40 AM
ebay eliminated free relisting, if item sells second time, a long time ago.
I had an item end on it's second listing not too long ago and eBay refunded the fees it charged me for the relist.
Cheryl
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hwahwa
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posted on February 19, 2007 07:49:34 AM
Read the details,some qualify,some do not.
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buyhigh
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posted on February 19, 2007 11:23:16 AM
relisting fee is returned if item sells 2nd time around -not third and only if you have the starting bid at the same amount or lower.If you raise the starting bid, they wil not refund if item sells.
buyhigh
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pelorus
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posted on February 19, 2007 12:20:21 PM
Unproductive listings are the junk you still see in stores, like a book listed at $50 when 10 other copies are available for $4.
There is no reason at all to eliminate low price listings. A much better solution (from Meg's perspective) would be to accomplish the same thing by raising listing fees for inexpensive items to where the cost would be prohibitive.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 19, 2007 12:37:05 PM
Hwahwa: What "details" are you talking about?
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Thought for the day: Men are like fine wine . . They start out as grapes; and it's up to the women to stomp the crap out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have dinner with. ~Dave Barry
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buyhigh
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posted on February 19, 2007 02:24:47 PM
I should think that unproductive listings are listings where the item did not or ever will sell. You can start at .99 and the final bid can reach a very high one in which ebay takes their cut. If Ebay wants to get rid of unproductive listings they can start out with the small items out of China where everyone is trying to sell the same thing with bids starting under $2.00 and shipping ranging from $10.00 ( not too many of those) to $72.00 for an under 5 ounce item. There are pages and pages of this stuff and hardly any bids ofcourse. Ebay still gets the small listing fees and the gallery fee so I would not call the listing unproductive.
buyhigh
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hwahwa
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posted on February 19, 2007 04:47:44 PM
Roadsmith.
Relisting Your Item
If your listing ends without a winning buyer or results in an Unpaid Item (UPI), you may qualify for a credit by relisting the item. If the item sells the second time, eBay will refund the Insertion Fee for the relisting.
Note: If you originally listed the item during a promotion and your original Insertion Fee was lower than the Insertion Fee for your relisted item, you'll be credited for the lower of the two fees if your item sells the second time.
This offer applies to only the Insertion Fee and not other fees for options such as Bold, Highlight, etc. After your relisted item sells, you will be charged the applicable Final Value Fee.
To learn about relisting a local vehicle on eBay Motors, go to Selling a Vehicle Locally.
To relist an item:
Sign in to eBay.
Click the My eBay button at the top of the page.
Click the "Unsold" link under the All Selling column if you are relisting an item that didn't sell.
If you are listing with Classified Ad, your Classified Ad listings will appear in the "Unsold" section.
Click the "Sold" link if you are relisting an item because your buyer didn't complete the transaction.
Choose “Relist” in the drop-down menu to the right of the item.
You can also access the “relist” link from the item page for the ended listing.
Note: You must use the official Relist feature in order to receive the Insertion Fee credit. Copying and pasting the content of the original listing into a new listing, for example, will not enable eBay to track that you are relisting the item and will prevent you from receiving the credit.
You never have to send a request to receive an Insertion Fee credit. eBay automatically issues the credit to your account as long as your listing meets the requirements below. Once your item sells, the credit is posted to your account.
General requirements for the credit
You must relist the item within 90 days of the closing date of the original listing.
Only the first relisting of an item is eligible. Subsequent relistings of the same item do not qualify.
Both the original listing and the relisting must be in Online Auction, Fixed Price or Best Offer Only (eBay Motors) formats, not in the Store Inventory, or Classified Ad Real Estate listing formats.
Both the original listing and the relisting must be single-quantity (not Multiple Item or "Dutch" auction).
The starting price you set for the relisted item must not be greater than that of the original listing.
The relisted item must not have a reserve price if the original listing didn't have one. If it did, the reserve price you set for the relisted item must not be greater than that of the original listing.
The relisted item must end with a winning buyer. If the item doesn't sell the second time, the Insertion Fee is not refunded.
Qualifying Unpaid Items that are relisted and close successfully will receive a standard relist credit automatically if the item is relisted and sells. Read more on the Unpaid Item Process.
If your original listing resulted in an Unpaid Item
Also make sure that you filed an Unpaid Item dispute for the original listing and requested a full Final Value Fee credit for that listing. This credit must be posted to your account before you can receive the Insertion Fee credit.
If your original listing had no bidders or buyers
If your item didn't sell the first time, you may want to come up with a different title, lower the starting price, or add a more detailed item description. Read our tips for selling relisted items.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 19, 2007 05:21:52 PM
Hwahwa: Thanks for the details! I knew some of them, and needed to be reminded.
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Thought for the day: Men are like fine wine . . They start out as grapes; and it's up to the women to stomp the crap out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have dinner with. ~Dave Barry
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neglus
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posted on February 19, 2007 05:59:51 PM
I sold 23 items from my store today that perhaps ebay would view as "unproductive listings" - they all have been listed for some time - some for more than a year.
The dates listed are in the first column in this screenshot from my complete listings:
Most sold for less than $10 -
One person bought 5 cards from Germany - total $45.
Another person bought 9 postcards from Switzerland - total $75
Another bought 3 postcards of stadiums - $22
Another bought 2 postcards from New Hampshire - $15.
The rest of the sales were to people buying one card (so far).
If my "non-productive listings" were not there they might not have found anything that interested in them or maybe just one item.
I hope that Meg's comments were misunderstood!
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on February 19, 2007 06:20:54 PM
Only eBay knows what their costs are to host one of your postcards for over a year, but if it cost them more in operating expense than they made off your sale, it is indeed an unproductive listing.
Never mind that it produced some cash for you. Your investment in it was tied up for over a year, so your actual cost of that inventory is substantially more than what you paid for it at the time, since if it had sold the first week or month listed you could have reinvested that money over and over again by now. To put it simply: Stuff costs you more the longer you keep it, because of lost opportunity. Looked at from that perspective you've lost money on the sale.
Most Stores sellers don't seem to take lost opportunity costs into consideration, so look for Stores fees to go up again.
fLufF
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