roadsmith
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posted on June 4, 2007 10:54:22 AM new
Hi, all: This is a huge, very old flow-blue platter from a friend's grandmother's estate. I've done some research in the flow-blue items on eBay but don't see this maker's mark. Any ideas for me?
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niel35
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posted on June 4, 2007 12:42:51 PM new
Adele - I went to replacements and put in scroll but no maker comes up
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jtomp
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posted on June 4, 2007 02:32:17 PM new
I think scroll may be the name of the pattern. You may have to look at a book of English china marks to see who the manufacturer is.
JT
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roadsmith
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posted on June 4, 2007 02:35:56 PM new
Thanks. Yes, I thought "Scroll" was probably the pattern. The royal-looking mark looks familiar, but I just can't find it!
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otteropp
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posted on June 4, 2007 02:44:50 PM new
Interesting! I can't find it in Kovels Book of Marks and neither can I trace anything on a Staffordshire potteries site I use.
In between the Stone & Ware in the point below is there an initial? In the photos it just shows dark blue.
There have been so many repros but from the crazing visible and the background you gave us it seems highly unlikely that this is a repro.
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roadsmith
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posted on June 4, 2007 02:50:50 PM new
Thanks much for the tip, Otteropp. In that little space it looks as though it MIGHT be a "D". I'll find a stronger magnifier and check it out.
This is an *extremely* heavy piece, 14 x 18, and I'm very confident it isn't a repro; lots of crazing and some small discolorations.
Later: Yes, the initial is "D". Now for some further sleuthing. I wonder if it could be D for Denmark; I know that some flow-blue came from that country. Or is that too easy an answer?!
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otteropp
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posted on June 4, 2007 02:56:13 PM new
This is not fair! When I can't identify a piece of china it gnaws at me until I find it!
I should be ironing right now but NOPE...gotta keep searching! Look for the D..
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otteropp
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posted on June 4, 2007 03:03:20 PM new
This is the address of the Flow Blue Collectors club of United States. If none of us come up with anything then try e-mailing them the mark.
http://www.flowblue.com/
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amber
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posted on June 4, 2007 04:55:03 PM new
I have checked out my English pottery and china. The crown mark is very common for many English potteries. The area where it says "scroll", is what is called "the scroll". On the descriptions of English pottery marks it often mentions what is written in "the scroll", and I am wondering if this could have been a trial piece and the name of the pottery or pattern was not included.One of these Alfred Meakin marks looks very similar. Sorry, I don't know how to make it clickable.
http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/m/meakin_alfred.html
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roadsmith
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posted on June 4, 2007 06:09:06 PM new
thanks, you two!
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Damariscotta
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posted on June 5, 2007 04:38:43 AM new
One candidate might be Francis Morley & Co. Right for period (1850's), and they used a number of similar marks, including some "borrowed" from other makers.
I wouldn't worry too much about ascertaining maker; most flow blue collectors go by pattern, and this one is probably not well known enough to be high collector interest. This will be for someone looking for a large, decorative antique flow blue item, and manufacturer/pattern will be of secondary interest.
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roadsmith
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posted on June 5, 2007 07:35:24 AM new
Yep. I'm sure if I can't find the maker, it'll be sold to some interior designer or homemaker for decorative purposes. I looked through Kovel's dict. of marks last evening and couldn't find the exact mark.
This is so heavy and so big that it's going to be a chore to find a safe box to ship it in. Why do I take things on consignment??!!
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twig125silver
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posted on June 5, 2007 10:31:57 AM new
I checked my books as well...some are similar, but nothing exact, and not similar enough for me to say.
My favorite books are "Pictorial Guide to Pottery & Porcelain Marks" by Chad Lage and Lehner's "Encyclopedia of US Marks on Pottery, Porcelain & Clay".
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kiara
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posted on June 5, 2007 11:28:47 PM new
Roadsmith, according to the Encyclopedia of British Pottery and Porcelain Marks by Geoffrey A. Godden your platter may be Thomas Dimmock & Co
Not very good pics as the book is large and I didn't flatten it so they are distorted - hope you can see them. It says there are many of the crown logo marks with the D so yours may be one variation.
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roadsmith
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posted on June 6, 2007 08:06:49 AM new
Thanks, Kiara! I think we're coming to a consensus here.
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kiara
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posted on June 6, 2007 09:22:20 AM new
You're welcome, Roadsmith.
For anyone collecting or selling a significant amount of British pieces I recommend getting Godden's book even though it's expensive because it is truly the best. It was purchased new from Amazon some years ago but sometimes they offer used copies at lower prices. This is the big one with 766 pages and I've used it over and over again.
Pottery Porcelain Encyclopedia
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