amber
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posted on January 17, 2010 10:20:37 AM new
I have this Noritake piece, given to the parents of friends in the 1920's. At first I was going to call it a creamer, but it is much more like a miniature coffee pot. 5" tall to the top of the lid and has a ?plate ?saucer to stand on.
Does anyone know the name of the pattern?
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niel35
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posted on January 17, 2010 12:04:43 PM new
Please give us a pic of the mark on the bottom
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max40
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posted on January 17, 2010 12:17:49 PM new
Individual teapot/server.
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amber
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posted on January 17, 2010 12:31:28 PM new
It would certainly be a small cup of tea, but I guess that is possible. I don't think I have ever seen a creamer in this shape, so it must be a pot of some kind.
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niel35
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:06:11 PM new
Amber - I have a book on Noritake A to Z, Art Deco & More. "The backstamp is 27.1 "M in Wreath + Handpainted + Made in Japan in red (decorated by Noritake Company subsontractors) Year 1918"
The actual pattern is not in here but the book is full of Art Deco pieces by Noritake fancy line porcelains of the 1920s. Really gorgeous and vivid colors and everything from ashtrays, bowls and boxes condiment sets, tea sets, etc.
I don't think there is an actual pattern as in the dinnerware but these are exclusive and gorgeous.
I would call it a Noritake Art Deco Tea server or Tea pot from 1918.
The "M" is for Morimura
[ edited by niel35 on Jan 17, 2010 02:07 PM ]
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max40
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:23:38 PM new
You think that's small? Check out the Japanese wine (saki) cups. We'd never get a buzz on if we drank our wine out of them.
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amber
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:28:33 PM new
Thanks so much neil, that fits in with what I was told about the date it was given. I guess that being English, a tea pot of that size would out of the question, my husband and I use an 8 cup one! Did you find any pot with the plate underneath? I can't find anything similar.
max: I have sold Saki cups before, but that is a bit different than tea. Maybe the Japanese drank very strong tea.
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niel35
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:30:13 PM new
No couldn't find anything with the plate underneath like yours.
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max40
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:34:37 PM new
Amber, when you order tea in a restaurant, how big is the individual teapot?
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niel35
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:34:54 PM new
I wonder if it is a sauce pot like for soy sauce. It really doesn't have a spout like a teapot, hmmmmmm still looking
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niel35
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:39:50 PM new
Here is the book
http://tinyurl.com/ybblgms
think I will try to sell it and might get 30 for it
[ edited by niel35 on Jan 17, 2010 03:24 PM ]
[ edited by niel35 on Jan 17, 2010 03:25 PM ]
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amber
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posted on January 17, 2010 02:48:55 PM new
Probably a bit bigger than this one, it is quite narrow at the bottom.
niel, I think soy sauce might be a good idea, you would want to prevent it from staining the tablecloth if it drips.
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HWAHWA
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posted on January 17, 2010 05:55:58 PM new
soy sauce bottle is usually not that big,you figure Japanaese use soysauce like we use salt,it could be Japanese renditoon of a creamer ,since it was made in early 1900s.
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amber
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posted on January 17, 2010 06:22:37 PM new
But would a creamer have a plate under it? I have never seen that. I have searched for every title I can think of, and I can see nothing like it. I guess that means I can legitimately call it "rare".
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max40
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posted on January 17, 2010 07:49:50 PM new
That saucer would be a great place to lay the used tea bag.
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pixiamom
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posted on January 17, 2010 07:56:26 PM new
I call it beautiful. 
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amber
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posted on January 20, 2010 08:33:38 AM new
Some more advice, should I call it a lidded pot, Teapot, Coffee pot, or something else? What should I call the plate, saucer, base, stand?
I have searched and searched and I just can't find anything remotely similar. There are lots of Noritake tea pots, but all have the regular spout, and are certainly not this shape, and none have a plate stand, or whatever it is.
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max40
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posted on January 20, 2010 09:59:50 AM new
I'd call it an underplate.
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hwahwa
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posted on January 20, 2010 11:32:33 AM new
Send this picture to Mita ARTS,father and son team based in Tokyo selling woodblock prints,they may know.
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niel35
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posted on January 20, 2010 11:44:59 AM new
I would say - Noritake Art Deco Japan Sauce Set 1918
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amber
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posted on January 20, 2010 12:22:36 PM new
Thanks so much, you are really helpful, all good advice. I hope MITA arts comes up with something. I also sent an email to a Noritake selling company, but I have had no response except that they are very busy.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on January 20, 2010 05:59:01 PM new
Just because the saucer is with it doesn't mean the saucer *goes* with it.
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amber
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posted on January 20, 2010 06:39:44 PM new
I think it does fluffy, it's the same pattern.
I wrote to a Noritake company and they confirm the date Neil gave and this information. "Many patterns can never be identified. The Noritake factories were bombed and burned during WWII, and all pattern records were lost."
So I guess I will stop looking and take the advise for a title from the kind members of this board. Any ideas about what price to start it at? It is obviously quite rare, but Noritake china is not selling for much.
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karenmx
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posted on January 20, 2010 11:48:18 PM new
I'm with Fluffy--perhaps there was once a teacup that went with the saucer and the pot to make up an "single serving" set, or maybe those two pieces are all that survive of a larger set. It's very pretty, whatever kind of pot it's meant to be.
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ebabestreasures
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posted on January 21, 2010 01:02:38 AM new
Try Tree by Lake for the pattern name. There are a few listed on ebay now by that name and they are all different. That maybe just a name that collectors made up for this pattern.
Whenever I order hot tea in a restaurant it's always served in a small pot with a under plate so I'd have to agree with Max.
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amber
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posted on January 21, 2010 04:48:24 AM new
Yes, I did try "tree by lake". Even if that is not the official name, I intend putting that in my description as what the decoration is. I have found some different pieces in my 11 years on eBay, and have been amazed that there is always at least one listed on eBay, sometime many. This time I can find NOTHING similar. Hopefully Noritake collectors will find it if I get enough keywords in my title.Even the Noritake Service Center have never seen it.
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niel35
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posted on January 21, 2010 05:52:21 AM new
Amber - is the mark on the underplate the same as the sauce pourer??
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amber
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posted on January 21, 2010 07:24:04 AM new
niel: I have several Noritake cups and saucers, and none of the saucers are marked. I looked it up on Google, and that seems to be the case with older pieces. They look identical, plus the recessed area is bigger than it would be from the saucer of a cup set. When I got it from our friends, it was all taped together.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on January 21, 2010 05:38:01 PM new
karenmx is correct; Noritake sold entire sets of handpainted ware. One of the best known patterns is Noritake Azalea. There are dozens, maybe over 100 different shapes.
It's a cute little pot. Certainly doesn't hurt that it has a saucer/liner. Would have gone well at the flea market. That's the downside of selling exclusively online -- it's harder to sell something that's "just pretty".
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