saabsister
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posted on July 15, 2001 08:25:01 AM new
What do you think of the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling concerning deadbeat dads?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63176-2001Jul14.html
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Hjw
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posted on July 15, 2001 08:46:38 AM new
It will be interesting to see how the US supreme Court decides that one! After all, more hungry, naked and homeless children are not a priority on the Bush budget. Will this be a moral or a political issue?
It's a ludicrous decision.
Helen
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uaru
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posted on July 15, 2001 08:53:44 AM new
I approve of Wisconsin's ruling in this particular man's case.
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:15:51 AM new
It's going to be incredibly difficult for them to enforce it--are they going to be watching him 24/7? Make him wear a sign? Just how are they going to keep him from fathering children.
Well, I suppose they *could* plaster the state with posters, billboards, and TV commercials showing his picture & warning women about him... But then he'd just need to move to another state & could start all over again.
The only way they could be *completely* sure would be to "tie his tubes" or give him some sort of implant that would affect his fertility.
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Hjw
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:18:33 AM new
uaru,
I agree that deadbeat parents should accept responsibility for their children.
But to require parents to present a profit and loss statement before having a child is just ludicrous.
Selective punishment for "some" fathers or mothers based on poverty is wrong.
Helen
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uaru
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:31:32 AM new
Selective punishment for "some" fathers or mothers based on poverty is wrong.
The man has already fathered 9 children that he has abandoned and provides no support for. You may feel it is a case of descrimination on poverty I feel they have made a decision based on this man's history. Selective punishment is exactly what is required.
In Anchorage there was a case of a woman being held till she gave birth because she was an alcoholic and had given birth to several children crippled with fetal alcohol syndrone. She gave birth to one child while she was passed out drunk. Should all women be held in protective custody that are pregnant? No, I don't think so, but in her case I feel it was the necessary thing to do.
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donny
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:41:57 AM new
Anatole France, in a famous quote, noted that:
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread"
And today, with more majestic equality, the law in Wisconsin forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to have children.
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 09:59:21 AM new
He's unemployed *now*--but was he unemployed through all four marriages and all nine children? Though I wonder about his second through fourth wives--what story did he gull them with to explain why he wasn't paying support for the kids he'd fathered?
And with deadbeat dads it's not always about money or being poor--they run the gamut all the way up to wealthy. I have a friend whose ex has a very good job & makes good money--he refused to pay a mere $200 per month to support his two kids...got so angry when a judge told him he *had* to, that he used his truck to ram my friend's car right outside of the courthouse! It was great: he happened to do it when several policemen, lawyers, *and* the judge they'd seen were walking outside & witnessed it. He ended up spending weekends in jail for the next 6 months--and paying child support.
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Borillar
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:39:38 AM new
" . . . and Deadbeat Dads"
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I find that offensive.
It sterotypes men and purifies women.
This thread needs to be renamed something more appropriate or close it up. One or the other.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:43:39 AM new
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 10:48:16 AM new
Boriollar: How does it "purify" women?
I agree that deadbeat dads are offensive--if they father a child, they should help support it.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:05:49 AM new
Orwell's 1984?
More like 'A Brave New World'
Or,more like todays Peoples Republic of China
But that is China, this is the U.S.
In the article it doesn't tell if the women he fathered all the children with knew his history of non support of the other children. If they did, sorry, but they are at fault too.
Borillar, Deadbeat dads are more prevalent then deadbeat mothers. There are deadbeat mothers, but the fathers out number the mothers by far.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:07:51 AM new
Borillar, your last statement in your last post is nothing new.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:11:30 AM new
Well this outta close the thread, huh, and maybe get ya a warning or something. I can't believe you just posted that.
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Hjw
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:13:16 AM new
Good grief!!!
What should we call parents who refuse to support their children even though they are able to do so?
Helen
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[ edited by Hjw on Jul 15, 2001 11:14 AM ]
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:14:13 AM new
Of course he did. He said he would.
Seems the topic hit a bit close to home.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:14:59 AM new
I dunno, ask Borillar, he should have a, um, colorful answer......
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:16:20 AM new
I don't care if the deadbeat is male or female--if you beget a child you should support it. If you can't support it, then for goodness sake, don't have *more*!
But it *is* true that more deadbeats are male than female...
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:16:26 AM new
sure sounds like it hit close to home with someone eeeeeek......
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Hjw
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:16:46 AM new
LoL That's who I am asking.
Helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:18:35 AM new
Did he leave the room?
Borillar you still there?
ed. to take out smiley..
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[ edited by NearTheSea on Jul 15, 2001 11:21 AM ]
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:20:50 AM new
Probably scribbling down as many scurrilous names & insults as he can so he can post them...
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:23:01 AM new
Is there worse than what he already posted?
Nevermind, I'm sure there is......
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:24:16 AM new
I meant to ask the same thing Borillar
why was her name on your 'list'????
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bunnicula
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:25:12 AM new
Well, after all, jamesoblivion, bunnies *are* known to breed like, well, bunnies 
Actually I think he trying to make me see how terrible it would be to have my "name" used as an insult.
Not to worry, though, in "real life" I knew at an early age that motherhood *wasn't* for me...I nipped by troubles in the bud (after much argument with the doctor) when I was 29. No "deadbeat" here...
[ edited by bunnicula on Jul 15, 2001 11:27 AM ]
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sadie999
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:26:30 AM new
Re: Deadbeat Dads
Off with their pee pees! (That'd deter them.)
More seriously, there's an organization here in Washington that pays junkies to get sterilized. I'd love to see this become a national program. It's voluntary, but there's that incentive of cash. This might also appeal to deadbeats of either sex.
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NearTheSea
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:26:55 AM new
This is too strange...
Moderators must be sleeping in, but I'm not waking them up....
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Hjw
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:28:41 AM new
Sadie,
Be careful, You have used the "word"
Helen
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MartyAW
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:30:20 AM new
Borillar,
It appears you take offense at the term "Deadbeat Dads". Regardless, your choice of words to share your dissent is unacceptable.
Please refrain from using this kind of inflammatory language to get your point across.
Consider this a cautionary warning to desist; your posting privileges are in jeopardy.
Marty
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MartyAW
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posted on July 15, 2001 11:33:53 AM new
This thread appears to have taken a turn for the worst.
On that tender note, I'm locking it up.
Marty
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