posted on July 19, 2001 02:59:17 AM
There's a study measuring and comparing presidential IQs and the results are reported here:
"The intelligence of our presidents has never been seriously scrutinized at any time in our history until now.
There is a widespread perception that President G. W. Bush is not qualified for the position he holds. That
increasing awareness by the people has led to a study of the intellectual ability of all presidents for the past
fifty years. There have been twelve presidents in that time, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush. All were rated
based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone wrote,their ability to speak effectively, and a
number of psychological factors. The conclusions of the study, conducted by an independent think tank
located in Scranton, Pennsylvania were surprising. This think tank includes high caliber historians,
psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner
Levenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia A. Williams, a world-respected psychiatrist.
All members of the think tank are experts at being able to detect a person's IQ from the criteria stated earlier.
After four months of research, these learned men and women have determined the IQs of each president
within a range of five percentage points. The IQs listed below are the norms for each president.
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) 132 Harry Truman (D) 122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) 174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D) 155 Richard M. Nixon (R) 121 Gerald Ford (R) 175 James E. Carter (D) 105 Ronald
Reagan (R) 099 George HW Bush (R) 182 William J. Clinton (D) 091 George W. Bush (R)
The non-partisan researchers who evaluated the twelve presidents determined that the six Republican
presidents for the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at
155. President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91. The six Democrat
presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President
Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. The margin of error is plus or
minus five percent. This study was initiated on February 13, 2001 and completed on June 17, 2001. This study
validated the widespread feeling of people about the sitting president. President Bush was rated low because
of his inability to command the English language, his lack of any scholarly achievements, and an absence of
anything authored by him that would reflect an intellectual effort." --"Jennifer Borenstein, Baskerville News
Service, 6/28/01"
posted on July 19, 2001 05:07:22 AM
"I would have to ask the questioner. I haven't had a chance to ask the questioners the question they've been questioning. On the other hand, I firmly believe she'll be a fine secretary of labor. And I've got confidence in Linda Chavez. She is a—she'll bring an interesting perspective to the Labor Department."—Austin,Texas, Jan. 8, 2001
"I do remain confident in Linda. She'll make a fine labor secretary. From what I've read in the press accounts, she's perfectly qualified." —Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001
"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods." Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000
"Actually, I...this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about...when I'm talking about myself, and
when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me." -ibid
"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California." -In Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." -Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" -Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
"It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then."-From a 1994 interview, as quoted in First Son by Bill Minutaglio
My personal favorite:
"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." —Philadelphia, May 14, 2001 (Thanks to John Brooks.)
Is this man even living up to his IQ of 91? That's a low average IQ. Most people at least get to 100 or above.
Here are some photos to look at too:
http://216.74.115.170/Home/dubya1.jpg
[ edited by JMHO2 on Jul 19, 2001 05:08 AM ]
posted on July 19, 2001 07:33:49 AM
I love Harlan Elison.
"Ok, it'd probably be alright to limit it to a minus side margin, Donny. Feel better?"
Cackle. Could I possibly feel any better?
This reminds me of when my daughter was young, 7, 8, somehwere around there. She had gotten some sense that "statistics" were weighty proofs indeed, so when she'd have debates with her older brother, or in family discussions, she'd trot them out with authority. "Statistics show that (blah blah blah)!" "Statistics prove (this, that, and the other)" She had statistics for every occasion. Finally I asked her where she was getting all these statistics. "I made them up!" she stated, unashamedly.
Now we have whoever thought up this up. Instead of straight out citing "statistics," he's injected the language of probabilities instead. I love it!
Anyway, from my sister's study of (statistics and) probabilities in college, and my own later on, we pretty much agreed that the only real use we ever found for them was using them to figure out what kind of bet my father would have to make to have a fair chance of hitting the Trifecta at Aqueduct. Who knew there were so many uses for them!
posted on July 19, 2001 09:07:09 AM
I don't know where krs got his article. But if you do an Net search using the terms "intelligence" and "presidents" several similar articles pop up. None that I saw assigned IQ points (is that really possible without the person in front of you taking tests?) to past presidents, but all agreed that traditionally Democrats fielded presidential candidates that were more intelligent than the Republican candidates--and that in fact the Republicans have at times tried to hold this up as an "advantage" (go figure).
edited to put an "s" where it would do the most good.
[ edited by bunnicula on Jul 19, 2001 09:07 AM ]
posted on July 19, 2001 09:09:46 AM
One thing that Dumbya will long be noted for is the alliances that he made. Alliances not with us, that's for sure. His recent trip to Europe to discuss the Missle Shield boondoggle has lead to many of our frineds and allies banding together -- against us.
"Both countries want to preserve the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) pact between Moscow and Washington as a basis for international stability. China and Russia fear the proposals could spark a global arms race and prompt the renewed production of nuclear weapons."
This is just the kind of sh*t I was going on about before with the danger of having an imbecillic president in office and how other countries are going to take advantage of it. Yesterday, a similar pact was made between Russia and Germany.
Yah. So, go ahead and call me an "alarmist" some more. Eventually what I'm talking about will pan out and everyone will be angry at the Republican voters for crippling us!
posted on July 19, 2001 10:37:41 AM
Poor Uaru. Do you think that in a battery of formal tests your boy would do better than 91? I didn't think so.
Anyway politex investigated this thing believing that it must be a spoof but instead found that it was not that and is a serious result from some serious people. He just won't yet divulge who or what they are, as if it really matters. From watching HIM for some time I'd expect that eventually he will publish his source. I've seen him post retractions of bad information, question the motive or source of most all information that he publishes, and refrain from posting items that he feels may be injurious or completely false. Normally he sends more private, and unpublished commentary out with full qualifiers to those on his mailing list who have sent him items from various news sources. I've never seen him cite any rag such as the Inquirer or the NY Post though he will make note of what they have published. His site uses only the mainline media from around the world, and all he does is compile it and place it up for reference. He will post opinion pieces of course, but does not vouch their verity as you would insist, only treating them as the thought out opinions that they are.
So, you voice your opinion? What would you do upon demand for a source? Blame someone else for your thoughts?
Politex is a completely serious and concerned individual, much more so than you appear to be, and has, at his own expense gone to DC to express his concerns publically on the capitol steps during two of the voter rallies that have been organized there. He also does what he does without gain or partisan favors which not one of your cherished sources could claim to do.
posted on July 19, 2001 10:57:50 AM
Chill out krs.
All thinking people with high IQs accept www.bushwatch.com as the Koran of politican information. I'm sure the first place for political information for most intelligent people has to be bushwatch. Thank goodness there is bushwatch to give us the facts when these other self serving so called news services don't give us the facts. Did the Washington Post, CNN, ABC, New York Times, or the other manipulated service publish the IQ report, nope. If it wasn't for bushwatch and its followers like you the lost of information to the public would be unimaginable.
Kudos to krs for giving us the news the manipulated news services are censoring from us.
posted on July 19, 2001 11:01:10 AM
Since you visit his site, you may enjoy those items which denigrate the democratic party or its members, and use those for your purpose of painting your dear bush in a more favorable light.
No need to thank me, but you could drop Jerry a nice note.
posted on July 19, 2001 11:19:48 AM
So, GW has slightly below average IQ....
I wonder how he managed to surround himself with the right people and convince enough folks to believe in him and vote for him to get him elected not only governor but president.....
Maybe there are other smarts that can't be measured on an IQ test...
posted on July 19, 2001 11:40:26 AM
In defense of krs, I don't see anywhere in his post where he states 'this is all fact'. Am I missing it?
"Maybe there are other smarts that can't be measured on an IQ test..."
Maybe I'm alone, but Bushisms crack me up. He's a truly gifted comedian, and doesn't even realize it. Maybe that could account for some of the missing points.
posted on July 19, 2001 11:42:59 AM
There are indeed qualities of intelligence that are hard to measure with a standardized IQ test. I have taken a number of those tests and usually measure about 150 but you will never see me saying that proves how smart I am. It proves I am really good at taking tests. I would be happy to not worry about the president's ability to deal with the sort of information and reasoning such a test measures if it were compensated for with a heavy measure of common sense and moral solidarity focused on selfless concern for his fellow man and country. I really would be .
Truely.
posted on July 19, 2001 11:55:48 AM
What we really need is a world-respected phrenologist to examine Bush, to give us the true skinny on his character and intelligence.
posted on July 19, 2001 11:58:15 AMkrsSince you visit his site, you may enjoy those items which denigrate the democratic party or its members, and use those for your purpose of painting your dear bush in a more favorable light. No need to thank me, but you could drop Jerry a nice note.
I read the tabloid while in the grocery checkout line. I love stories about NASA finding a B-17 on the moon, but I rarely offer them as evidence of anything.
I will be sure to thank Jerry if I ever use him as a source of "news". Don't you think Jerry would appreciate if you provided a link to his site when you offer these rare gems of information from his site?
posted on July 19, 2001 12:03:47 PM
I would accept the numbers published as reasonably accurate estimates, at worst, in light of what I've seen from the principals over the years...
The 3 highest reported IQ's of my generation of presidents (I was only 3 when Kennedy was shot so have no recollection of him) were of men who always impressed me with their intellectual grasp of ideas and ideals but, ironically, were often maligned, rightly or wrongly, for foolish mistakes they made or incidents that happened during their watch....
Personally, I'm predicting Bush's presidency will end much as Carter's did...with him getting the blame for much of the economy's woes and foreign policy debacles...
I hope GW doesn't see the presidency as the end of the road but the beginning of a new and more fulfilling path in life....
Hey, has he taken a header down any steps yet?? He should be due about now...
posted on July 19, 2001 12:05:46 PM
For his own original writings he would, but most of the things on his site are not that. Most, in fact, are just links to your major credentialed news services with a preponderance the NY Times and the WP, as you know.
posted on July 19, 2001 12:11:20 PMI wonder how he managed to surround himself with the right people and convince enough folks to believe in him and vote for him to get him elected not only governor but president.....
He did it with money. And he's paying the money back with political favors.
I was hoping you had found a new site. Instead I see your usual source for hard impartial facts.
