REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 01:55:19 PM
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/uctr/20010920/cm/eighteen_guys_who_shook_the_world_1.html
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mastiff1
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posted on September 21, 2001 02:13:46 PM
What a rotten bone to dig up. Next time I am near you I will shake my fuzzy head so my slobber coats you instead of the walls!
WOOF
WOOF!WOOF!!GGGGRRRRRRR, leave my bone or I will slobber on you!
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bunnicula
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posted on September 21, 2001 02:16:47 PM
There is a real problem with this journalist's logic. It assumes that air traffic controllers and the military should have automatically known that the highjacked planes would be used in terrorist attacks.
Airplanes have been hijacked for 20+ years now but this is the first such use of a hijacked plane.
The second plane struck the WTC 18 minutes after the first. Let's get real. The unthinkable had just happened. People were in shock. Who could/would have predicted at that moment that it would happen *again* in a few minutes?
Now the *third* plane, which struck the Pentagon, came 40 minutes after the second attack. And by then the AF should have been on alert and should have shot it down. But human nature (& our society's mindset) being what it is, if the AF *had* shot down the third plane this reporter would probably have been whining about the innocent lives lost & how the AF couldn't have known for sure that it was going to be used in an attack...
edited to put in an "r" where it would do the most good.
[ edited by bunnicula on Sep 21, 2001 02:18 PM ]
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mastiff1
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posted on September 21, 2001 02:29:31 PM
Here's a doggie treat for you, bunnicula, for I agree whole heartedly with you...
instead of a doggie treat, how about some fresh cut alfalfa instead??? 
WOOF
WOOF!WOOF!!GGGGRRRRRRR, leave my bone or I will slobber on you!
 missed a ubb again 
[ edited by mastiff1 on Sep 21, 2001 02:31 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 02:48:09 PM
The important part of the article is that we should be moving towards Federalism in a time of war and not away from it.
Personally, I think we should start upping the tax dollars we send to Washington instead of rebates.
My rebate check will do nothing for national or my security.
Our private sector economy is not a factor in winning this war as it was with WWII.
We've survived recessions before in time of peace.
I'm for Federalising anything that promotes national security.
We have no economy until the security issues are addressed.
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bunnicula
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posted on September 21, 2001 03:01:34 PM
One of the strangest things in this article is the following:
Our close-to-the-bone brand of capitalism turned out to be our economic Achilles' heel. Corporations that fill metal tubes with highly combustible fuel and upper-middle-class citizens and propel them eight miles over the surface of the Earth at high speeds ought to be prepared for an occasional mishap, but they're not -- and neither are insurers who are, after all, in the business of risk appraisal. A week of reduced productivity has ruined crops (no crop dusters during the flight ban) and trashed the economies of states dependent on tourism.
Edit to fix a misapprehension on my part  So...the airline should have known that terrorists would crash their planes into the WTC or some other landmark? They are also responsible for lost tourism and a lack of crop dusting? (BTW, one week of no crop dusting does not mean that the crops have been ruined). And of course, those "upper middle-class passengers" share the blame. How dare they fly in an airplane? But wait--most of the passengers would have been lower middle class & upper low-class as the largest space on airliners is the economy class section...is that better or worse by this guy's reckoning?
And to call this tragedy an "occasional mishap"?!?!? Strange doesn't begin to describe this guy.
[ edited by bunnicula on Sep 21, 2001 03:22 PM ]
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krs
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posted on September 21, 2001 03:05:37 PM
They suspended crop dusting? I hadn't heard that.
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gaffan
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posted on September 21, 2001 03:06:02 PM
Just taking a gander at the path of flight 77, I don't see any way they could have shot it down in the last 10 minutes without causing more deaths than occurred at the Pentagon, unless they got real lucky and it hit Arlington Cemetery.
-gaffan-
[email protected]
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REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 03:52:58 PM
EVERYTHING was ordered out of the sky following the attacks. There were news stories about private craft being forced down by USAF jets. By forced down, I mean a jet was scrambled and directed the planes to land. The civil aviation authorities claimed they thought the ban was just on commercial carriers and allowed small private craft, like crop dusters to fly.
Not dusting crops at the right time can ruin a whole crop.
First, insecticide has to be applied at the right time to save the crop. Applied even 72 hours too late and the crop is not worth harvesting.
Second, insecticides must be applied so many days before harvest or they can not be allowed for human consumption. So if the crop ripens before the insecticide time period has lapsed, the crops must rot in the fields.
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plsmith
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:04:43 PM
REAMOND, here's an organization that might appeal to you:
http://www.wcpagren.org/cnfdeart.dir/contents.html
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REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:07:39 PM
Checked the info on the link and am trying to figure out how I would be interested in it ??
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plsmith
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:09:08 PM
Just looked like your cup of tea...
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REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:10:23 PM
How can you compare our Federal govt to a "world confederation" ?
What have you been smoking ?
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plsmith
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:12:28 PM
Not "comparing" anything -- nor smoking anything besides Marlboro 100's by the score.
Carry on...
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fountainhouse
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:20:13 PM
Rall should stick with cartoons.
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bunnicula
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posted on September 21, 2001 04:32:06 PM
REAMOND: pesticides do *not* have to be used on crops meant for human consumption.
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REAMOND
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posted on September 21, 2001 05:08:20 PM
Yeah, I know, you can let the bugs eat the crop.
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bunnicula
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posted on September 21, 2001 10:11:20 PM
You might want to do a little research on farming without pesticides. Advances have been & continue to be made in that area.
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REAMOND
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posted on September 22, 2001 11:29:06 AM
I have done the research.
The only producers farming this way are those selling relativly small amounts of produce to upscale resturants where celebrities and the rich will pay $20 for an organic salad.
Chem free farming is labor intensive and has greatly reduced yields per acre.
If it were profitable for everyone to do it, they would be.
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 11:57:11 AM
IF you Dig a little deeper into the news you will find that crop duster were oked to fly as long as they staied away from any large cities the ban lasted less then 24 hours..
Also if you dig deeper into actual facts you will find there are many misleading facts in the news story that is linked to in this thread.
as was posted in a thread here earily believe little of what you hear and read.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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REAMOND
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:58:19 PM
It wasn't a "news" story. It was a commentary by an editorial cartoonist !
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stockticker
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posted on September 22, 2001 09:54:04 PM
...the bin Laden conspirators may have been planning — or may still be planning —to disperse biological or chemical agents from a cropdusting plane normally used for agricultural purposes
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175951,00.html
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:03:41 PM
The media's certainly doing a great job of carrying out the terrorists' objective -- creating terror among the populace.
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plsmith
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:23:04 PM
What media, Spaz? This is REAMOND. 
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gravid
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posted on September 23, 2001 07:12:31 AM
bunnicula - You raise an interesting point.
Is there any public information on the economic level of people who use airlines?
I think you would be shocked at the number of people who have never been out of their state and sometimes not even their county. I will search and share if I find anything.
I like your "upper lower class" - I thought I had coined that. They have a Buick on cinder blocks in their front yard instead of a Chevy.
[ edited by gravid on Sep 23, 2001 07:14 AM ]
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 23, 2001 08:05:56 AM
cap,
I was referring to Irene's link.
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