Mylanta
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posted on September 22, 2001 06:27:28 AM new
It seems illogical to me that Bin Laden would be in Afghanistan at all. What benefit would he have there?
The Taliban won't hand him over because they can't. He isn't there.
If Bin Laden is as savvy as he's reported to be I doubt that he would even have been in Afghanistan when the raids on America took place. He would know that as soon as it happened the world would be looking for him.
He would also have placed himself somewhere with access to good international communication to oversee and co-ordinate the attack.
It would also be unlikely that Bin Laden would look like the Bin Laden we see in all the photographs.
What would he look like with a shave, haircut and a different style of clothing? I bet you that you could stand next to him in the street and be none the wiser.
He could be anywhere in the world, most likely sheltered in a community where his middle eastern features would not look out of place but somewhere that the US would be unlikely to attack. There are many thousands of such places. I hate to say it but there are many Moslem and Middle Eastern communities even in America. I don't need to paint the scenario for you.
I have no proof, no facts, just a hypothosis, but it could be very close to the mark.
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 07:41:16 AM new
FIrst Bin Laden would never shave its against the relgion if you beard is to long or to short if he went against the relgion he is such an extreamest to he would fall out of favor in nearly a ny min.
Secondly if he isn't still in the country just where is it you think he is, The big troup build up the US is sending out is going to be Stageing in some of the most supriseing places is what I am thinking which is one of the reasons they are keeping there location at this time so quiet.
Next in this exstreamest relgion to Run is cowardly and to die is to go to heaven they would prefer to leave by walking directly into the fire of a machine gun this they would see as victory.
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gravid
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posted on September 22, 2001 07:55:18 AM new
Yes you can be arrested on the street in Afganistan if your beard is too short as they suspect you have been trimming it. Shiks are the same - they have a prohibition against a razor touching their beard. I worked with one who got around this by burning the stray hairs he did not want with a butane lighter.
You can imaigine what that smelled like all the time.
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shoshanah
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posted on September 22, 2001 11:50:03 AM new
Where-ever he is, it would appear that he will soon be running out of countries willing to host him, as the net slowly closes in on him.
A little off-topic, sorry: I really do wonder if he had any idea that America would react so swiftly, and that his acts of terror would put a great portion of the World on his tail....Somehow, I cannot help but feel that this time, he under-estimated the American People.
The Afghani people have a saying" "Be fearful of the Tiger's teeth, the Cobra's venom and the Afghan's anger"...Well, this same applies when replacing "Afghan's anger" with "American's anger"....
No matter who the current American commander-in-chief is, America will not stand still...
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 11:58:23 AM new
I believe that he knew exactly what America would do.
Helen
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:17:47 PM new
How can you say he knew just what America would do when we in this coutry don't know what we will do 
yes we know there is military moveing but that is really all ..
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:31:17 PM new
dman
I meant that he probably knew that there would be military reaction and that he got the hell out of Afganistan and I doubt that he is in Pakistan either...just my opinion...
Helen
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:43:28 PM new
I believe that he knew exactly what America would do
Maybe... maybe not.
I wouldn't call America's response as swift and terrible when the WTC was bombed the first time, we put a handful of men in jail. What was America's response when the U.S.S. Cole was bombed? What was America's response when the military barracks in Saudia Arabia was bombed? What was America's response when 2 embassies in Africa were bombed?
I believed we selected a couple targets and fired cruise missiles over the embassy bombings in Africa. We also put out Bid Laden on the FBI 10 most wanted list. We destroyed an aspirin factory and blew up some empty desert.
[ edited by uaru on Sep 22, 2001 12:45 PM ]
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zilvy
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:45:54 PM new
That aspirin factory wasn't the mistake many try to make it.....we were going to leave these SOBs with some pretty stinkin' headaches, man!
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:49:02 PM new
dman
I have also heard a theory that bin Laden may have set up a trap in Afganistan. Bin Laden would like to see a war between the East and the West.
If we go rushing in with military attacks we could possibly alienate the Muslim community and cause more Islamic support for bin Ladin's cause.
Helen
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:53:02 PM new
We don't really expect to find bin Laden there. Oil is why we are there.
Helen
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 12:56:20 PM new
The US don't have to attack anyone any where the build up of troups, planes,ships and other equiment over there and wondering where its all stageing and the waiting is enough to maybe stir them against one another
Time will tell...
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:01:51 PM new
We don't really expect to find bin Laden there. Oil is why we are there.
I'll bet there are mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, and friends of over 6 thousand people that probably feel different. There are also a few other naive people that believe we are taking these actions because of the attack on America on Sept. 11th.
Count me as one of the naive people.
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:13:26 PM new
I think that is not true, We don't Need the oil there the US has plenty of oil right here all they need to do is drill for it and before this is over you will be seeing laws changed.
the US will be drilling here for oil working to make us all less dependent on oil for heating and cars with battery and fuel cells.
I believe ovr the next five to 10 years you will see the US closer to 90% energy independent.
Frist there is battery power cars comeing on storng, New building being built are going to house there own power genorateing plants.
look into plug power what they have developed is a system that any home owner can purchase for around $2000 to $4000 to make eletric and not have to depend on a power grid instead they will sell excess back to the grid system.
most new homes built in years to come will be required to have a plug power system for eletric to power the house.
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:15:32 PM new
Of course, uaru... revenge is the issue right now, but oil is our major interest in the Middle East.
Helen
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:23:22 PM new
The One thing America has the power to do at this time that makes all the middle east nervous is to make Black gold parctically worthless on the open market.
the technology has been in place now for a while to make this come to pass..
What do you think the president ment when he said this war would be fought on many fronts includeing financial, sanctions as we know already wont work as long as we are dependent on what they have to sell and the world keeps makeing them richer ..
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:43:48 PM new
revenge is the issue right now
I prefer to feel that 'justice' is the issue.
[ edited by uaru on Sep 22, 2001 01:45 PM ]
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dman3
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:47:59 PM new
yes Revenge would be one of the mistakes they are trying to avoid..
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toke
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posted on September 22, 2001 01:59:54 PM new
I agree, justice is the issue...and I have hope prevention is the plan.
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shoshanah
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posted on September 22, 2001 02:05:18 PM new
I agree, justice is the issue...and I have hope prevention is the plan.
Amen to that!
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 02:20:12 PM new
When I said the revenge is the issue here, I was refering to the conscensus of opinion that I have encountered here. This is not my opinion.
Neither do I think that our military presence in The Mid East will bring any sense of justice. Bin Ladin will not be found there.
But innocent people will be killed. That is what will happen. More Americans and more people in the Mid East and these deaths This will not lead to justice.
How do you think that justice will be found or how do you think that justice will be achieved by military attack on innocent people in the Mid East?
Helen
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 02:30:22 PM new
How do you think that justice will be found or how do you think that justice will be achieved by military attack on innocent people in the Mid East?
Just how do you reason with someone that hates you to the point they are willing to commit suicide in order to kill innocent people?
Yes military actions will result in the death of innocent people, it happened in Germany, it happened in Japan, and it will happen with our war against terrorism.
Do you feel we could avoid military action by issuing a strongly worded letter of condemnation and asking what their demands are and satisfying them? Could we put an end to terrorism that way?
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Microbes
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posted on September 22, 2001 02:35:31 PM new
asking what their demands are and satisfying them? Could we put an end to terrorism that way?
That road leads to more terror, and more demands.
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 02:57:28 PM new
For an atrocious terrorist act such as the one that we experienced in this country, I think that a search for justice is futile. That attack will forever be an unresolved injustice.
What we can do without military attack in the Mid East is to find and eliminate the terrorists networks all over the world. This involves improved intelligence, diplomacy and special operations. There was a great intelligence failure in this country and that needs to be addressed immediately. While this battle is being waged we need to be especially vigilent in protecting our country.
In my opinion, it would be crazy to just ignore the cause of the hatred which invariably leads to terrorism. Afganistan is a poor country. These people have been through a war already with Russia from which they have not recovered. Now, they are being held responsible for the political crimes of bin Laden while they wait for yet more bombs.
How can we attack this country and not generate more hate in the world.
In my opinion it would be barbaric.
Helen
I would like to ask all of you what do you think is the cause of the overwhelming hatred that is focused on America?
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toke
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:04:33 PM new
uaru & microbes...
Don't you find all the angst, rending of clothing, anguished breast-beating and the like...a little premature? After all, absolutely no action has been taken, as of yet. 
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DeSquirrel
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:17:15 PM new
It is reported that bin Laden has several planes, even a business jet. It is also reported he is still there. This would make sense because I'm sure we're monitoring everything that flies in the area. He could take off and possibly be intercepted by F15s. The other thing is where would he land?
I'm glad Bush will not spend time in endless debate with the Taliban. How do you talk to people that murder their own people at such a large rate? Me thinks, even as of this moment, we are massively suppling the opposition in Afghanistan. There will probably be massive attacks on communications centers, military bases, air fields, and power plants to reduce their ability to wage war. Then the opposition will probably attack with our air cover.
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toke
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:23:56 PM new
I watched an interview with a fellow from Jane's. He had an interesting sound-bite, which was, more or less:
You cannot buy the government of Afganistan...you can only rent it.
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hjw
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:28:40 PM new
Toke
It's difficult to be free of anxiety when we are officially at war but we don't really know with what country. That should be a little disconcerting to most any thinking individual.
Right now, in Washington DC police are surrounding the local reservoirs in an effort to stop or at least notice, any effort to contaminate the local water supply.
Crop duster planes are under surveilance in order to prevent the dispersion of chemical or biological agents.
The airlines are practically shut down.
Every day, my daughter risks her life in order to go to work on the subway.
And you ask, why such angst?
Helen
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:48:30 PM new
What we can do without military attack in the Mid East is to find and eliminate the terrorists networks all over the world.
Okay when we find a terrorist organization operating in another country and that country allows the operation to continue and refuses to surrender the terrorist.
Our next step is to enter into negotiations?
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toke
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posted on September 22, 2001 03:53:11 PM new
To address any future misapprehensions:
I address no chimaera. At least...to my knowledge.
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