posted on October 5, 2001 08:33:44 PM new
Received this in email have forwarded to a dozen or so friends and thought I'd share with the RT. This seems like poetic justice to me...what do you think?
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This is the best idea I've heard so far!!
As for what to do with Osama bin Laden:
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Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. Therefore, I suggest we do neither. Let the Special Forces, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return her to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.
posted on October 5, 2001 10:30:12 PM new
Spaz, I think zilvy meant it another way. They treat their women horrendously. They care not if they die, and they kill them themselves as less than human beings. So if he was turned into a woman, he would be getting a dose of what he is dishing out.
Is that what you are saying zilvy? I don't want to speak for you.
posted on October 5, 2001 11:02:29 PM new
Spaz I can't believe you took it that way. I don't think for ONE minute that Zilvy was saying "sex change as punishment" - I took it as just the opposite, I felt it was pretty damn progressive and feminist!! First of all, if bin Laden were suddenly female-bodied, we all know it would not change WHO he is, because a sex change NEVER changes who anyone really is. It would force him to see what it's like to be who you are and to be treated as "less than" just because you are differently-gendered. 2. Since he HATES women so much, it WOULD be a punishment for him to live as one and be treated as one by the woman-hating Taliban. Also (please correct me if I'm wrong Zilvy), I believe Zilvy is a woman, and I sincerely doubt she thinks being a woman is "the ultimate indignity". Bin LADEN thinks that, Zilvy does not, therefore she is throwing it back in his face. I think she made an EXCELLENT point. As a matter of fact, Zilvy had told me this idea earlier, and I was the one who encouraged her to post it here, I thought it was so brilliant. Not EVERYONE is Trans-phobic, Spaz. And we ALREADY KNOW who IS on this board now don't we.
posted on October 6, 2001 03:12:00 AM new
Thanks Hep & Rocker, absolutely right on, given the exposure regarding the Taliban and bin Laden I didn't think any explanation was necessary. Thank you for clarifying.
One of my thoughts (yeah I'll admit not real nice) was him wearing a burque (sp?) and having no periferal vision (of course turning your head while it is in a tent doesn't afford you any view), was maybe he'd have suffered all the indignities and still get run over! Double jeapordy!
Have to add this: in regard to my gender, I am the Third Sex. Having successfully worked in a "man's" world back in the 70's, dealing with CEO's right on down to janitors and truck drivers my mode of operation varied with those I dealt with and for a 30 something "gal" I could be the "toughest guy" you ever had to deal with.
One truck driver making a delivery of a bashed huge carton filled with expensive machinery insisted he wasn't putting it back on the truck. Our Italian receiver was hysterical not wanting to accept the carton without a technician to check out the equipement. The truck driver was told the manager will be right out don't leave. When I came through the door, Mr. Brains in his butt", loudly moaned OH GOD "it's" a woman!
I set his mind at ease immediately, by telling him "it" was not a problem I'd been dealing with "it" for years. After I got him to sign off on the potential damage & liability based on the exterior of the carton the receiver & driver were happy. GOSH, SPAZ what a world, eh?
posted on October 6, 2001 07:55:39 AM new
Not so much about who's got what phobia or whatever. I just think using the awful plight of Afghani women as fodder for an e-mail joke, however well intended, is tasteless (and I realize zilvy didn't create the thing). I know I'm in the minority for thinking that way, especially nowadays. After all, lots of jokes and attitudes we would have previously found objectionable have been given the green light lately simply because they're presented as "anti-Bin Laden." This includes racism, religious bigotry, obscene images, etc. We've seen it all right here in RT in recent weeks. I guess some people think stuff like that is patriotic, but the patriotism I associate with America is much more noble.
posted on October 6, 2001 08:25:21 AM new
Not a joke so much as wishful thinking for poetic justice. Think of it like the part of the Twilight Zone movie in which a bigot ends up getting a taste of his own medicine--he finds himself a Jew shoved into in a railroad car...
posted on October 6, 2001 09:39:36 AM new
I heard on a national newscast that Osama had undergone plastic surgery to alter his appearance. I only heard it one time, and then saw "the lastest" photos of him last night on the news, still looking as sleazy as ever. Did anyone else hear the "plastic surgery" story?
PERFECT!!!! This is THE MOST PERFECT solution!!! Zilvy you ROCK!!! 
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