posted on December 30, 2001 10:37:54 PM new
At the request of others, this thread is for politics and the bashing of both our elected and non-elected officials. That anyone might care to join would be great. I'll start:
85% APPROVAL RATE
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Yup, a short while after we declared war on Al-Queda and entered Afganistan, Bush received an unofficial polling of 85% approval rate for his great speech giving and efforts to chase after the perpetrators. Weeks later, the Republican politicos in Washington are still tossing around that figure; as if it is an 85% approval rating of Bush's entire job. Maybe they'll swing that informal statistic about for as many years as they can drag out the war on terrorism ...
BUSH & GUILLIANI TICKET IN 2004?
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There's talk of it. After all, with Time's endorsement of him as Man of the Year (AOL/TIME/WARNER/CNN/ETC/AD NAUSEM) and with Dick Cheny being so ill that he never should have been picked as V.P., its a shoe-in for the next election cycle. With Guillianni's sexual piccadello, I wonder just how the rabid anti-Clinton Fundies will explain away his marriage infidelities? Can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S?
DEMOCRATS BACKSTAB THOSE WHO BOUGHT THEM
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Who needs the Republicans as political enemies when the Democrats are doing such a fine job of it themselves? They still dirty-deal the American people but backstab those who have bought them lock, stock, and barrel just enough to make a political statement. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
BOTTOM LINE
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You don't need a Republican in the White House in order to fight this war. Heck, you can throw in a Democrat anytime and get the same results. When it comes to taking political advantage of our misery, our elected representatives won't hesitate to try to drag this out as long as possible.
Should we not measure the overall job that Bush is doing? Do unemployed Republicans shouting at him from the unemployment lines cheer him on in nationalistic pride or are they angry at him for stalling on extending their unemployment benefits?
posted on December 31, 2001 08:08:12 AM new
RECENTLY, President Bush has been hit with the harshest criticism he has received since the September terrorist attacks
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http://www.bergen.com/editorials/priv20011227.htm
"Mr. Bush was accused of being a "dictatorial president" and "acting like a king," trying to crush the power of the people's elected representatives. He also received this stark warning.... After the Persian Gulf war 11 years ago, his dad was at a 90 percent approval rating, and he lost -- and the same thing can happen to this president.
The criticism came not from a Gore diehard but from Republican Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, the arch-conservative chairman of the House Government Reform Committee."
posted on December 31, 2001 08:43:20 AM new
Borillar, I have a question. Why do you say Bush is stalling on extending unemployment benefits? I saw several news reports on this issue, and although my memory is not that good, it seems to me it's Congress that hasn't passed the bill, but Bush wants it to be passed.
posted on December 31, 2001 11:26:52 AM new
I don't agree, Borillar, with everything that you say. The figure that I've seen most often still touted as the approval rating is the earlier 90%, even though its declined a bit. I suspect that the ebb and flow of the war on terrorism will move in accordance with the gravitational pull of the polls.
I don't think that Guilliani will be Bush's running mate in '04 unless the party is desperate. He's too much of a loose cannon, his heroic stature will overshadow Bush, and he'll be too old to be a strong contender for president in '12 if the party wins in '08. Also, strategically, talk of Guilliani as a vice-presidential candidate will circumvent any potential popular movements promoting his presidency.
posted on December 31, 2001 12:26:43 PM new
"The congressional democrats are wimps."
And the senate is not much better.
"I am sorry that the Senate apparently is willing to just lie down, be quiet and not ask any questions," Byrd said in a Senate speech sharply criticizing Bush's decision to withdraw from the ABM treaty without properly consulting Congress.
posted on December 31, 2001 03:03:51 PM new
Bushs aprroval rating will go down as soon as he bottoms out when it comes to domestic issues. He can't survive on this war for ever.
I'm so dissappointed in the Democrats they are doing absolutely.What a waste of votes all the way around.
posted on December 31, 2001 03:10:25 PM new
No, they aren't much better. Daschle and Leahy and a few others here and there are beginning to regain their voices and almost flex a little muscle. The democratic party needs a strong spokesman; charismatic would be even better. I hope someone emerges soon before we hand every corporation in the nation an engraved personal key to those famous lock boxes.
posted on December 31, 2001 04:51:13 PM new Borillar, you are going to have political problems of your own as soon as krs gets settled in and once the parsimonious glee of no state taxes has worn off. Rumor has it he's going to run for Ogre of Oregon, so you'd be wise to begin painting your picket signs now -- at least in your part of the house...
posted on January 1, 2002 09:17:38 PM newMr. Burton was reacting to Mr. Bush's decision to invoke executive privilege to block congressional probes into alleged FBI misconduct and Justice Department inaction on allegations of campaign finance abuses. Mr. Burton is best known for his relentless investigations of the Clinton administration -- which many thought were evidence of the chairman's political bias. But Mr. Burton's reaction to Mr. Bush's sweeping privilege claims shows that he is bipartisan in his zeal to protect the right of Congress to oversee the workings of the executive branch.
That the job of Legislative Branch is to oversee the Executive branch is ludicrous in my opinion. The job of the Legislative branch is to create the laws, not to enforce them (except through more legislative). Congress is not a police agency.
" Borillar, I have a question. Why do you say Bush is stalling on extending unemployment benefits?"
"Was", not "is". The sentence can be read in either tense - sorry. Bush was not going to extend benefits until he got bribed with other matters that he wanted pressed through.
[I]"The congressional democrats are wimps."[/]
You would be too if you don't want American Military-grade Anthrax to appear in your mailbox!
" Rumor has it he's going to run for Ogre of Oregon"
I'll be glad to have KRS here in Oregon and we will both be hollering at the system from here. In case you hadn't noticed it, but Oregon is on the forefront of the revolution in America. It is attracting all sort of left-wingers and, oddly, right-wingers who can't stand either political party neither. Oregon has always been a sort-of bellwether state: the political mood of the nation rests here. There isn't a grocery line in the city of Portland that the mention of Bush or the Republicans in Congress doesn't explode in anger about what is going on. There are Bush supporters though: my next door neighbor admitted that when he went to get his driver' license, he also registered to vote. He simply picked Republican as his "team" to root for. Sadly, that is the state of Americans everywhere it seems. Maybe we do need a great and ungodly war that bloodies us so badly that citizens will stop taking for granted their right to vote and to change the system.
posted on January 1, 2002 10:25:53 PM new
Why do I get the eery feeling that Bush et al are hoping that India/Pakistan actually does erupt in nuclear war so that he can see what it's like and learn how to control it?
posted on January 2, 2002 12:29:00 PM new
Yeah, it does seem to me too that the Bush Administration is playing some games over there. I've found myself wishing on several occasions to find out exactly what. I think that both India and Pakistan want a multi-billion dollar bribe from us to them to keep the peace. Of course, I'm sure India wants to stop getting their politicians blown to pieces: all they need is a litle Anthrax scare to keep them in line. Works for us!
[ edited by saabsister on Dec 31, 2001 07:49 AM ]
I hope someone emerges soon before we hand every corporation in the nation an engraved personal key to those famous lock boxes.