Looking over this very interesting and WELL DOCUMENTED web site, I've discoverd some clues that I have been thinking about for a long time. It began with Bush, Sr.'s announcement of "A New World Order" that sounded like words spoken right from the very lips of Herr Hitler himself! That, and that the name Bush is "Americanized" and used to be the German Busche. With the 1990's full of the rank and file neo-Nazi movement here in America joining up and taking over the Republican Party, with members like Sen. Trent Lott, Bob Barr, and Dick Armey among the most notable (facts about their backgrounds were revealed in the media during the Clinton Impeachment.) And now, another Busche is running this country as he pleases. What to make of it all?
+ Bush's grandfather was Banker to Adolph Hitler.
When KRS recently mentioned his theory that Clinton's election had upset "the Plan" of the Busche Empire, namely that Bush, Sr. meant to use his second term to turn this into a fascist police state, but was pre-empted by the rise of Clinton (no WONDER they were all so pizzed!) I saw another small clue: Dan Quayle, Bush, Sr's Vice-President. That man is so retarded and they were grooming him for President too! I think that it should have played out this way: Bush Term #1: Set the stage for a police state. Bush Term #2: put the Police State into power. Quayle Term #1: The Destruction of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Quayle Term #2: The Take-Over is complete and the New Nazi State is born!
But Clinton upset all of that -- didn't he? And so did Ross Perot with his popular party, the Reform Party. Unfortunately, Clinton could only serve twice and Ross Perot could only hinder the process twice and get away with it. So, eight years later, the Republican Party leadership, now firmly in the hands of the Nazi Party, committed complete and total warfare at the last election. The Reform Party was torpedoed by sending in Buchannon and his Ultra-Conservatives, who weren't likely to vote for their candidate anyway. They didn't touch the DGreen Party, because it drew away so many votes from the Democrats. But of interest is in how it all played out. I suspect that many election scenarios were thought up and each one was throughly rigged. Had it NOT ended up in Florida, it would have ended up in one or two other states and the outcome would have been just the same. I say that, because they even planned for a tie, whereby the United States Supreme Court was in the Ready to decide on Bush's behalf, no matter how wrong or at what the cost was. It was all planned in advance!
How are they connected, Bush, GOP, and the Nazis? Realise that when Germany was defeated, only its armies and secret police and its leadership was thrown down. The rest of the Nazi government was left completely intact by Patton. The Nazi Party simply changed its name a bit: from the Worker's Socialist Part to the Democratic State of Germany. What's in a name, after all? Thy needed their time to rebuild and this time, there would be no America to stop them!
But, as this Biography shows, Bush (both Sr. and Jr.) are not even the main players! There are "other" powerful interests that they work for (yes, work for! Go read it!) And Bush and his cohorts constantly using Berlin as a staging point for secret international relations, can there be a clue there too?
posted on July 6, 2002 01:08:48 PM
Well, well, well. I've FINALLY found a political topic TOO HOT even for hardened RT'ers to participate in! Just because it smacks of Conspiracy Theory doesn't mean that you can't be blemished by participating in this discussion! I mean, you've got a choice: either Bush & Family are Sweet and Innocent creatures who just happen to be doing "just what is Right" with America, or you can see this as an acceptable alternative explanation.
Were the Nazi real? Yes! Did Patton and the Allies leave the Nazi Party in place at the end of WWII? Yes! Was there EVER an effort by ANYONE to remove the Nazi party from Germany? >NO!< Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that such a partty still exists, and there is more than enough proof about this out there and it isn't 'wild speculation' either!
Now, did Bush, Jr's grandfather Prescott Bush aid and collaborate with Adolph Hitler and the Third Reich by finanacing them? Yes! That is well documented! So far, so good (or bad, depending.)
+ QUESTION: Do the Bushs (BUSCHES) work for themselves or for someone else?
+ QUESTION: To what degree, if any, does the existing Nazi Regeime in Germany have any connection to the White House? And to the Republican Party?
+ QUESTION: Why have Bush, Jr's ties to White Supremisist groups in Texas have been shouted down in the press? G., Jr. belonged to at least one substanciated group of Texas Seperatists with a racist agenda (Does your country have Blacks?) that put him into the Texas Governorship. Now that Georie, Jr. is now in the White House, what National-level groups does he still belong to, or have close ties with?
You know, folks, digging around a bit could educate you. You never know what we'll uncover. Afraid of the Office of Homeland Security will drag you away into the night using the new Patriot Act?
posted on July 6, 2002 01:22:58 PM
Borillar, it's not that the topic is too hot, it's just I can't picture Bush involved in something that well thought out.
posted on July 6, 2002 01:23:57 PM
Borillar- I had heard about this connection before and should have done more research on it. Thanks for bringing it up as it deserves everyone's attention. I wish a well known journalist would take up this issue.
posted on July 6, 2002 01:36:53 PM
If the philosophy comes to the same conclusions about how government treats their citizens and how we treat our fellow man - who even cares if there is even a direct link and succession from one party to the other?
If it quacks and waddles it's a duck no matter who laid the egg. Fascism is ugly no matter who started it is and seems to keep reappearing as a solution very commonly for some reason. People love to elevate themselves and dominate their fellow man.
posted on July 6, 2002 01:41:37 PM
If nothing else, go L@@K at the web site and bookmark it to be read. If you want to continue to debate on here about the Busches, AND you want some really cool links to your quotes, this is the palce to go get them! I mean, when next you make an outrageous point to the Dum-Dums and they demand a link, why you'll have just what the doctor ordered and the ignorant can go crawl back into their holes!
Of course, you could acutally READ the whole thing 14 Chapters in all, although it would make a pretty thin booklet. That way, you would have a D-E-E-P insight into what is really going on. And none of it is "Wild Speculation' either!
posted on July 7, 2002 09:30:54 AM
Ok Borillar, you said the answer was here.
AMAZING, really, (not sarcastic!)
But ok, I did not read this authors whole thing here on the internet...who would the 'brownshirts' be in the Republican party then? (seriously)
And question, because I forgot, what did Kennedys family start off as? Or rather Joe Kennedy, the patriarch of the Kennedy family. (you are probably saying what does this have to do with anything, well the above poster said the Bushs' are Drug Dealers)
Still groggy..I am saying that, since you quoted my whole paragragh on being on pain pills....
posted on July 7, 2002 10:31:53 AM
The mob that made the ballot counters suspend their work in Florida when the security guards failed to do their duty and people who turned black voters away at the polls were doing work very similar to what the brown shirts did in Germany.
Give me a short barreled 12 gage and a bag full shells and I'll show you what to do with a mob that rushes a doorway. I load my own shells with pieces of brazing wire snipped about 3/4 inch long standing on end in a bundle. They turn sideways and tumble quickly and are very very effective. One round will clear a hallway about 20 foot deep.
posted on July 7, 2002 11:00:25 AM
Ok I'm most likely way wrong on history and way off base, but weren't Hitlers 'Brownshirts' killing off people in the kaiser or Germanys 'monachary' or the politicians?
posted on July 7, 2002 11:16:38 AM
Hmmm . . . lesse. The "Brownshirts" = the SA, who were really hooligans set loose on the public to terrorize it. They were supposed to be an extention of Adolph himself. Funny, but he betrayed them and set up the SS instead - the Secret Police -- just like the Office of Homeland Security, BTW, with the new Patriot Act. It's been a while since I read up on that terrible episode in Germany and for the world, so I can't answer what they did: whether it was the SA or the SS I can't recall.
As far as Troops go, the neo-Nazi movement infiltrated the Republican party late in the 1980's and with New Gingrich as a prop for their coup, they took over the entire Repubican Party. That's why I keep saying that all of the old, respectable Republican politicians got out of the party 1989-1993. Only Dole was left, and it broke his heart when he ran for President in 1996, because he knew that there was no way to win his party back from the naziis.
posted on July 7, 2002 11:25:12 AM
The Kennedys? If you have some sort of connection between the Kennedys and the Nazi Party in Germany, NearTheSea, please post it here where we can all see it!
Joe Kenndy made his fortune during Prohobition illegally selling booze -- just as many, many Americans did. Prohobition was a joke that everyone knew and drinking soared in this country because it was a form of protest. Speakeasys were operating night and day with the outstanding business. The police were on the take, they got their cut of the booze and left them alone. I recall my mom telling me about my grandfather's still deep in the woods, where he'd make his own rum and whiskey. She told me about how the Chief of Police and the Mayor used to stop by to "visit" him and to load up their truck with their supply of booze - he made great booze!
Now, how does that compare to America's False War on Drugs or the nazi Party?
posted on July 7, 2002 11:49:27 AM
Borilllar if you look again, I made the comment on Joe Kennndy because a poster said the Bushs' were Drug Dealers. Sorry, in no way was putting down Joseph Kennedy.
Prohibition was better than no alcohol at all!
Yes he was a rum runner, but then he did sell to then 'organized crime', no? not sure.
(The speakeasys you were talking about)
And then the 'THEORY' was the reason JKF and Bobbie were assasinated was they were investigating the 'mob' the ones that had helped Joe Kennedy to start. I probably got that all wrong, if I didn't its just a silly theory, if that anyway
posted on July 7, 2002 12:46:17 PM
I think that you're safe from being quoted anywhere.
Go find the threads in which the repug hooligans who got together in washington, worked as repug congressional aides and such, went to florida and were seen in photos disrupting any attempt to do the lawfully required recount requested by gore. They were called 'brownshirts' and people in here made such great wailings about that that I'd be surprised if you don't remember it, as you were right there amongst the loudest wailers.
posted on July 7, 2002 12:52:28 PM
Oh YEAH I remember that darned Republican MOB busting into a recount. It was awful. Those Republican activists or whatever, yeah I remember. It was terrible! Didn't they have to get the mob control cops out there, it was so bad?
I was the biggest wailer? no, I WAS THERE! Didn't you see me on TV Ken? I held a sign up just for you!
posted on July 7, 2002 01:09:46 PM
You'd have had to have a job to have been there.
"When outraged Republicans raised a ruckus outside the Miami-Dade County elections office last week, some protesters at the door weren't local citizens. They were Capitol Hill aides on all-expenses paid trips, courtesy of the Bush campaign. Right up front on television images of the event last Wednesday were Thomas Pyle, an aide to GOP Rep. Tom DeLay, and Michael Murphy, who works for a DeLay fund-raising committee. Doug Heye from California Rep. Richard Pombo's office also was in the fray....Behind the rowdy rallies in South Florida this past weekend was a well-organized effort by Republican operatives to entice supporters to South Florida....The biggest contingent appears to have hailed from within the marbled walls of the Capitol complex in Washington....
"In Washington, several GOP aides say the office of Mr. DeLay, the House Republican whip, took charge of the effort on Capitol Hill, passing on an offer many staffers couldn't refuse:
free air fare, accommodations and food in the Sunshine State -- all paid for by the Bush campaign. Aides who accepted took advantage of liberal congressional workplace rules that allow them to jump from government jobs to political tasks at a moment's notice by declaring themselves on vacation or temporary leave. "Once word leaked out, everybody wanted in," says one GOP operative involved in the effort. Participants estimate that more than 200 staffers signed on, some spending more than a week in South Florida. Many stayed in Hiltons by the beach
and received $30 a day for food, as well as an invitation to an exclusive Thanksgiving Day party in Fort Lauderdale....
"Staffers who joined the effort say there has been an air of mystery to the operation. "To tell you the truth, nobody knows who is calling the shots," says one aide. Many nights, often very late, a memo is slipped underneath the hotel-room doors outlining coming events. On Friday night, one aide received notice that he and his colleagues were welcome to stay in South Florida
until "further notice." Bush supporters sometimes outnumbered Gore backers by 10 to one outside the Broward County Courthouse in the Democrat-leaning community. A block to the north, a recreational vehicle festooned with Bush-Cheney signs served as operation central, having recently been transferred from similar duty in Miami....[GOP] camaraderie was on full display at the glitzy Thanksgiving night party featuring free food and libations at the Hyatt on Pier 66 in Fort Lauderdale -- "a festive family mood," says one protester. Entertainer Wayne Newton crooned the song "Danke Schoen," until a group of frenzied female fans rushed the stage. The night's highlight was a conference call from Mr. Bush and running mate Dick
Cheney, which included joking references by both running mates to the incident in Miami." --WSJ, 11/27/00
posted on July 7, 2002 02:57:46 PM
See, I KNOW that you weren't there because that occurred when you were sending me all of those IMs about Stusi and lindaK.
posted on July 7, 2002 02:58:53 PM
I'm trying to dig up the name of that Texas Seperatist group that Busche, jr. belonged(s) to. While the story that I watched on TV about it long ago did not specifically mention the names of other White Supremecist groups that Georgie belonged to as a Youth, it DID indict a specific name of a group that got him elceted in Texas on their platform and their special intersts. It's not been easy to find it, as I guess that I don't have that Search talent. Heck - I can't even discover WHERE the Messageboard Search function is on AW! (all I find is the Auction Search functions)
At any rate, it would be good to add that onformation to this discussion, as it would be entirely relevant to the topic. I'll keep looking, but info on Bush, Jr. has a way of dissappearing on the internet, if you know what I mean?
At least, if you are lurking here and you want to know The Truth about Bush and the Busche Family, go read that booklet. Doesn't matter if you are FOR Bush or AGAINST Bush - it is an EDUCATION and in this dangerous time for Americans everywhere, being educated about what it really going on could save your life someday!
posted on July 7, 2002 03:05:49 PM
Um Ken, yeah right LOL!
You stopped totally talking to me, I believe it was during the campaign, yeah as a matter of fact, it was, when Bush was nominated for the GOP candidate
Stusi and Linda, I never talked about you guys LOL! in fact I had no idea who Stusi was back then.
posted on July 7, 2002 07:49:40 PM
This doesn't deal with family businesses per se, but I finally finished reading The Sum of All Fears. I haven't seen the film so I don't know how closely it follows the plot of the novel, but it's likely a more entertaining experience than the novel itself. The last two hundred pages were good and had the first seven hundred been condensed to about another two hundred the novel would have been greatly improved. Given the times, his study of how Fowler's intelligence and character determined his behavior in crisis was especially disturbing.
posted on July 8, 2002 08:11:58 AM
Thanks Snowy! This is what my screen looks like at the bottom. As you can see, it does not give that option. So I am happy to have bookmarked that link to the Search. Thanks again!
posted on July 8, 2002 08:19:37 AM"Borillar, they didn't read that stuff when I posted it months ago - do you really think that they will now?"
The Busche supporters? I don't know. I doubt it. They'd rather live in their own fantasy world than reality. That way, they can come on here and claim that we're the ones living in a fantasy world!
I think that anyone who participates in these disscusions ought to read it and likely will at some point. After all - who doesn't want ammunition against the Forces of Darkness? And it makes for fun when posting on here six months from now too, when we bring up a fact that we can substanciate.
My main thought are about the Lurkers - those who do not wish to participate in our discussions for their own reasons, but do read them for their own edification. I hope that they will be the ones to go read it. It really isn't all that much to read - especially if you can read over the Dick and Jane book series, if you know what I mean? Also, they provide this link to download the entire book in HTML format right to your computer to read at your own leisure.
posted on July 8, 2002 09:27:23 AM
There is another bit of evidence as well. The Republican party and the Democratic party are undermining our Constitution by transferring the powers of Congress in the Legislative Branch to the president and his Cabinet in the Executive branch, thus creating a Dictatorship. Below is a copy of the Constitution where it states what Congress is responsible for and has the authority to carry out - such is NOT given to the President, NOR can Congress by itself LEGALLY transfer such powers to the President. See which ones have been violated so far:
US Constitution
Article 1
Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
+To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
+To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
+To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
+To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
+To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
+To establish post offices and post roads;
+To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
+To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
+To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
+To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
+To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
+To provide and maintain a navy;
+To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
+To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
+To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
+To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
+To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Not all have been violated - yet. However, I can spot a few right off the bat without thinking about it. Such as, "+To regulate commerce with foreign nations" What about this recent bill that pass through Congress this last Spring like grease through a duck? It gave the PRESIDENT the power to make foreign trade deals WITHOUT the oversight of Congress! What the hell do we have Congress for if they won't even do their damned jobs? And it gets worse each day that they plot up new ways to overthrow the government completely!
