kraftdinner
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posted on September 13, 2003 11:48:59 AM new
There's a 31 year old girl serving time for killing her father when she was 18. She killed him while he was sitting down. She claims he sexually abused and raped her and her sister while they were growing up. She thought that when she turned 18, the abuse would stop but it didn't, so she killed him. Her story sounds believeable (even Nancy Grace believes her!) and she is trying to be released early.
Should children that are/have been sexually abused, that kill the abuser - even if it's a parent, be given shorter terms because of self-defense?
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Fenix03
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posted on September 13, 2003 02:36:09 PM new
I'm torn on this one Krafty, I think that an 18 or 19 year old that has not yet gotten out is one thing. a 31 year old is another. A 31 yeard old should no longer be living at home and can cut off contact. a 31 should have the maturity level that if they feel that a family member is still being victimized would know to go to social services, report the abuse and petion to have the remaining children placed in their care. At 31, you are not protecting yourself, you are getting revenge.
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replaymedia
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:15:42 PM new
It probablydepends on the circumstances. I can think of situations that could go either way.
I would think an 18 year old would know which authorities to contact over such situations- a murder should not a be an option. someone much younger would be much more limited in their options, and murder might be more excusable.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:17:07 PM new
She wasn't 31 when the murder was committed.
She was 18 when she killed her dad after being sexually abused since the age of 9. She stated that she killed her dad after he began abusing her younger sister.
The transcript with Nancy Grace and Larry King
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:26:38 PM new
I watched the Larry King interview and just based on that, I couldn't buy her story.
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TXPROUD
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:05:20 PM new
I would have bought her the ammo.....Men that abuse their own kids are worse that pedophiles.
Veritas vos Liberabit"..... (the truth will set you free)
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Fenix03
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:10:27 PM new
My mistake. I can buy a 18 or 19 year old doing that and depending on what had gone on around her feeling that it was the only way to solve the problem. there are some variables of course, and personal hatred is going to help help push her in that direction but then if there had been no abuse, there would not be that slant.
Helen - when you say that you don't buy the story, do you not buy that she was mo;ested or do you not buy that ending the molestation and protecting her sister was the reason for the killing.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:30:47 PM new
There are too many unanswered questions, Fenix ...I just wouldn't want to make a decision based on that interview alone. There are so many questions including the sister's role and the life insurance policy and whether or not she tried to get outside help with the problem and if not why not. I would also want to know more about the mother.
It's possible that neither she or the sister were ever molested. That's another consideration.
It's been awhile since I watched that program but I remember that for some reason I was not convinced that she was telling the truth. I certainly could be wrong though.
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:37:20 PM new
She is a murderer plain and simple... do the crime and do the time... no excuses
At 18 she could of called the authorities or a number of other things...
I am not surprised at the responses to let her go... but at what example does that set?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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Fenix03
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:53:55 PM new
From reading her taped statement on the show, she sounds credible, but the lack of mention of abuse at or around the trial bothers me. She has the victim act down but is it real or is it the result of reading the right books and 13 years of incarceration and coming into contact with people that were victims and whose behavior she could emmulate. If a shrink at the time did thought that she had been victimized then why was it not a major aspect of the trial? Those are the kinds of things that inspire jury nulification.
Interesting case - too bad we don't have more details.
As for can the murder of a long time abuser become a justifiable action? Yes. I do believe without question that it can.
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 06:09:59 PM new
ABC NEWS
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noh2
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posted on September 13, 2003 07:12:56 PM new
it said her father started having sex with her when she was 9??
is a 9 years old girl ready for sex??
i mean,would she need to see a doctor afterwards??
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 13, 2003 07:52:49 PM new
The father (allegedly) made her perform oral sex on him at that age. I think she said she was raped once by him, but I could be wrong, noh2.
In the Larry King (Nancy Grace) interview, she said she never told anyone, including her mom (but felt her mom knew) because she didn't know it was wrong, only that she didn't like it. It wasn't until she was older that she realized what was going on, then felt ashamed by it all. Under those circumstances, I can understand not telling anyone, and I can understand her fear of it never ending for her or her sister, but how can these allegations ever be proven?
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Fenix03
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posted on September 13, 2003 07:59:05 PM new
Krafty - he started with oral but by 9 accordingto the articles had moved on to penetration.
Should she have had med attention Noh? Yes. Would it intercourse with a nine year old neccesitate medical attention? Way too many variables to be able to say absolutely yes or no.
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