posted on September 27, 2004 07:34:01 PM
So it looks like teresa is helping john lose the election.
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'Liability' Teresa Kerry alarms Democrats
[SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2004 10:55:52 PM ]
NEW YORK: The jury was out for a while, but Teresa Heinz Kerry has been declared a resounding liability by women.
In a scathing attack, feminist writer Naomi Wolf claims the ketchup heiress is having an emasculating effect on John Kerry, her second husband. "Listen to what the Republicans are hitting Kerry with: Indecisive. Effete. French. They are all but calling this tall, accomplished war hero gay," she writes in New York magazine.
Wolf, who advised Al Gore on capturing the women's vote in 2000, blames Heinz Kerry for making the charge stick. "Let's start with Heinz. There is no genteel way to put it — she is publicly, subliminally cuckolding Kerry with the power of another man — a dead Republican man at that."
Heinz Kerry's first husband, John Heinz III, was a senator whom she has called "the love of my life". He died in a plane crash in 1991. "Her first husband was (as she herself is now) vastly more wealthy than her second husband," Wolf points out. "Throw into all of this her penchant for black, a colour that no woman wears in the heartland, and you have a recipe for just what Kerry is struggling with now."
Democrats are alarmed Kerry has lost the advantage he enjoyed among women. In the latest Fox News poll, Bush enjoys a two-point lead among women. That gap represents a potentially costly reversal in the Democrats' fortunes. In the 2000 election, Gore won 54 per cent of the women's vote compared with Bush's 43 per cent and still failed to win the White House.
Wolf advised the Democrat candidate to act like an alpha male. In her current critique she returns to the theme, arguing that "presidents are archetypes of male potency". At the Democrat convention, she writes, "Teresa Kerry's speech, which all but ignored her husband, did more to emasculate him than the opposition ever could." In contrast, Laura Bush's depiction of her husband "wrestling" with issues of war enhanced the president's potency.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on September 27, 2004 07:45:02 PM
No surprise there. Total lack of class, imo. And I say...let her keep campaigning for him ...it will turn more and more off. But the dems will probably put her in the 'deep freeze' soon, like they did with Edwards for a while.
posted on September 28, 2004 06:50:10 AM
Linda, why do you think she lacks class? Because of the funds she donates to organizations you've researched or just a personal opinion based on that you don't like her? :-0)
I don't see her as lacking class, but unskilled at being under this huge national public microscope. She is a bit too cavalier with her statements. But I don't know that her intentions aren't mis-interpreted and blown out of proportion. Even the 'naked' thing. In retrospect, I'm sure she didnt mean it the way it could be interpreted by some, but as a politicians wife why isnt is aware that people will pick apart her every word? (And, *I* could tell somebody to shove it in a heated moment if they were annoying me...and I'd probably say worse...but I am not a politicians wife.)
Laura is skilled at being more cautious and reserved about what she will say in public, which is a good thing. Because Americans want pristine; or at least the illusion of it in the White House. But I bet shes had her moments in private, too. I think with politicians, amongst themselves, a lot of things get said that they "know" the public wouldn't care to hear them express. But all in all, they're only humans, too.
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on September 28, 2004 09:11:42 AM
More jealousy ooozing from linda over the type of woman who makes pathetic lonely linda want to "gag".
Ha! No class? SHE'S not doggedly trying to foist her views on and on again in here like you and the rest of us are, linda....she's out in the world doing things, good things from the sound of it.
Pretty pathetic when "the greatest country in the world" hates women so much to this day that if a woman DARES to have more money than her husband she's emasculating him?
A woman in America is judged on her CLOTHES and not the "content of her character" !!!?????....how backwards, uniformed, and brain dead.
Is America, the "enlightened leader" of the world, really going to treat women as something less than a male forever?
Are women who do more than cook, wait on a man hand and foot, and pump out babies, going to be forever villified for not falling into line like good little girls?
Ya, linda, YOU may not think Theresa has any class but it's just that ugly worm of jealousy for a woman who has a backbone and feels comfortable defying conventions.
Unlike you, she's a very generous, caring person. Sure she enjoys her wealth...isn't that what it's for....but she shares generously, something you aren't even capable of understanding.
And, of course, linda, there's that younger, warm, handsome, HUSBAND
posted on September 28, 2004 09:24:30 AM ... when "the greatest country in the world" hates women so much to this day that if a woman DARES to have more money than her husband she's emasculating him?
That article is written by the LONDON Sunday Times or did you miss that footnote?
You are such an extremist. People "dont hate women" so much!! People in public life are judged overall as a package. Too bad you dont like it, but thats the way it is.
posted on September 28, 2004 09:32:44 AM
Uh, neroter, the last time I looked , bear is posting in and about America, Theresa Kerry is American, the election is American....and though I'm not familiar with the "New York" magazine.....is that New York, England?
Is the election in America? It's about democrats...aren't they in America? It's about winning the White House, isn't that in America.
The article was written in the London times....it's about AMERICA.
posted on September 28, 2004 09:56:15 AM
I too am wondering exactly what is i about the article that makes Linda insist that Theresa lacks class.
I love that she does not edit herself for the masses. She is herself. She is a strong, intelligent and willful woman that is not afraid to be exactly that. I LOVE that about her! I think strength and intelligence is classy. I think self confidence and determination are without question the strongest positive examples that can be set forth for our society.
How absolutely pathetic that so many people have decided that those traits are something that should be the battleground on which to attack her.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Sep 28, 2004 10:21 AM ]
posted on September 28, 2004 10:03:18 AM
Almost missd this piece of garbage,
""Throw into all of this her penchant for black, a colour that no woman wears in the heartland, and you have a recipe for just what Kerry is struggling with now." "
A color no woman wears in the heartland????? Is this writer insane?
Does she REALLY think all women in the heartland wear flowered dresses with cute aprons??????
Does she really think the color of clothing a woman wears affects voters? If it does they're way too stupid to vote, that's for sure.
Now I know I can discount the whole article....must be written by Ann Coulter's More Evil (and stupid) Twin.
posted on September 28, 2004 10:16:02 AM
Why.. Fenix.. don't you realize.. that American Women are to be seen and not heard?
We are not supposed to ever keep step beside our men.. no..no.. always a step behind, and as long as we look slim and pretty and dress appropriately ( dresses always please),then we will gain the nod of acceptance.......Whoo!
Poor Teresa.. hasn't learned the Rules..lol
We've Come a long way baby! Unfortunately, not far enough and have had to drag some of our own gender along kicking and screaming all of the way.. Maggie
posted on September 28, 2004 11:00:58 AM
neroter - Linda, why do you think she lacks class? Because of the funds she donates to organizations you've researched or just a personal opinion based on that you don't like her?
No her fundraising organizations are the largest reason I would never want to see her as our First Lady, yes....but that has nothing to do with what I judge to be her 'lack of class'.
unskilled at being under this huge national public microscope.
I see it differently. She's been in political life for years - in the public microscope as you say. Remember her first husband, the one that she'd trade all her wealth to have back, was a Republican in high office - I think he was a Senator...but can't swear to that.
She a bit too cavalier with her statements
Agreed...although I'd define it 'haughty', much like I see kerry.
the 'naked' thing. Yes, along with telling some reporter who recorded her statements and proved she had lied about what she had said....telling him to 'shove it'. Then there's calling those who don't agree with kerry's health plan 'idiots'. And it goes on and on. She's one insult after another....no self control that a first lady would need to be diplomatic as she needs to be. She almost always dresses in black...what's up with that? She doesn't seem to care too much about how she appears...it's accept me as I am...don't like it scr#w you type of way she presents herself.
To me it's like she came into money, which she did, but she's had no training on presenting herself as a classy woman. She's VERY aggressive and I don't personally find that attractive in women. Assertive yes, agressive - know it all - it's my way or the highway type of thinking. No...not at all First Lady quality.
Some here mock Laura Bush - when they make a comparison between her and the 'classless one' ....I think she's a perfect First Lady. I don't see her as being the type that walks ten feet behind her husband...I see her as a very supportive wife who has spent her time in the WH doing what she most enjoys....speaking out and supporting education. I judge her to be very articulate and she does speak her mind...just with a calmer, more self-controlled demeanor.
*I* could tell somebody to shove it....sure we all feel that way at one time or another - that's normal and natural....but we usually tend to use self-control with our words....and a First Lady needs to have that self control even more that anyone else as she's representing our whole Nation - she doesn't imo.
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 28, 2004 11:07 AM ]
posted on September 28, 2004 11:46:26 AM
At this stage,i dont think it really matter much who your wife is.
most people have made up their mind .
-sig file -------Life is one big happy 'All You Can Eat' buffet .
posted on September 28, 2004 12:16:30 PM
""Assertive yes, agressive - know it all - it's my way or the highway type of thinking. No...not at all First Lady quality""
linda, guess both you and bush(geo) wouldn't make it as First Lady........
Another brain-dead remark,"She almost always dresses in black...what's up with that? She doesn't seem to care too much about how she appears...it's accept me as I am...don't like it scr#w you type of way she presents herself. "
I've seen her in several colors, you must be color blind and if a person prefers black...so what?
The
"it's accept me as I am...don't like it scr#w you type of way she presents herself. "
Is the way every intelligent, thinking, woman with a brain AND a backbone SHOULD be!
posted on September 28, 2004 03:16:44 PM
I don't really hold Laura Bush accountable for GW's actions and inactions. Hell, I'm guessing she sold him all his drugs back in the college days. They both liked a good party every now and then, and what better couple than a drug dealer and an addict. Throw in GW's DUI and you got yourself a cocktail.
posted on September 28, 2004 03:22:50 PM
::She almost always dresses in black...what's up with that? She doesn't seem to care too much about how she appears...it's accept me as I am...don't like it scr#w you type of way she presents herself. ::
Yeah baby!! Linda, speaking as someone who has does three loads of black, one load of colors, and one load of whites (the later two which usually require towels to be deemed full loads) it's simply a matter of comfort. There is nothing sinister or evil about wearing black, it's just something that is more comfortable. It's also incredibly more comvenient when traveling when everything you own works together. And the there is the accesorizing thing... EVERYTHING goes with black. When your life has meaning and purpose and there are things that need to be done and your schedule is constantly full... making sure that your outfit will be pleasing to others takes on less and less signifigance.
It's not as if she is showing up in sweats with her hair in a ponytail. She is simply dressing in a way that is comfortable and pleasing to her and letting her words and actions speak for herself.
My mother complained about my penchant for black for years. Told me it was off putting and what ould people think. I fonally put an ed to it when I told her that is someone was to make a value judgement on me based upon the color of my clothes, chances were that they vapid, cosmetic and intellectually vacant to qualify as someone I would actually want to know anyway.
I don't think Teresa does give a damn what people think of her appearance. She's too damn smart.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 28, 2004 06:05:39 PM
Naw, I don't think anyone here is stupid enough or narrow-minded enough to base their judgement of some one on the color of their clothes....but I may be wrong....ther ecould be someone that sahllow and dim-witted...could be......
posted on September 28, 2004 07:28:43 PMa First Lady needs to have that self control even more that anyone else as she's representing our whole Nation
Linda, I agree with that statement. That was my objection when she said the naked ditty because it was insensitive (I thought)to minorities. I figure she didnt really mean it the way it came across, but if you wouldnt suggest that to white Anglo saxton people, dont suggest it for poor black people either. White people would probably thnk it a ludicrous joke, but when you're poor and you already dont have....there is a certain dignity thing to at least being able to clothe yourself. She missed that in this off the cuff remark - big time.
On black clothing: to be honest I havent seen her too much to comment. She wore red at the convention, didnt she? And i do recall she had on a really nice amethyst shade suit one other time I saw her on the news... But my personal opinion is black all the time is kind of dour. Funeral clothing or something. Even though it can be dressed up nice and its staple nightwear, its just blah. I get real bored with it for myself.
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on September 28, 2004 08:23:08 PM
Well, profe, that says alot doesnt it?
Just was reading an article where she is quoted as saying her critics are all scumba*gs!! LOL!!!
Now, thats tasteful and diplomatic becoming a first lady...dont you think? lol!
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on September 28, 2004 10:11:22 PM
Ketchup Women is a knuckle head. I can't imagine anyone wanting her as First Lady. Even the Dems know that she is a "ball and chain" to Kerry.
posted on September 29, 2004 12:13:36 PM
Looks like most prefer a stepford first lady that is dressed by handlers and programmed to trot out there and smile adoringly at her husband and say cutesy things. Laura Bush has no vibrancy or inner spark and she looks medicated most of the time with the same plastic smile on her face.
Besides being intelligent, Teresa is real and reality scares a lot of people.
She's very abrasive...agressive...and no smarter than Laura Bush. Maybe it's bothering some ladies here who can't understand the concept of a woman who'd rather support her husband than try to prove she has more 'balls' than he does.
posted on September 29, 2004 12:40:55 PM
My point is that a woman can support her mate but still remain an individual and speak her own mind and have her own life also. Most men I know prefer a woman like that and grow tired of doormats who can only blabber out what they've been told to say and fawn over their man. If you were always a Stepford doormat wife, so be it. Thankfully not all women want to be that way.
Just a note, women don't have balls.... they have ovaries.
posted on September 29, 2004 01:46:17 PM
kiara - Some women think and act like they have balls. They've lost the feminine side of themselves and most of them are single.
One does not have to be either a 'stepford wife' nor an aggressive in-your-face type person...there's plenty of 'in between'.
Just look to Teresa who spent most of her time during the DNC convention talking about herself rather than her husband. She's not running for President but almost her entire speech was about her.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on September 29, 2004 02:10:12 PM
She really should not be saying words like scum*bag -doesnt she know what that is??-if she does, she might be a little 'too real' for many Americans sense of decorum for a 1st lady. Even the raunchiest of(and women,too)comic's dont use that word.
I dont think any of it is going to matter when all is said and done. People are either voting Kerry or voting Bush. But the way we are carrying on, you think "She" was in line to be president instead of her husband! lol!!
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[ edited by neroter12 on Sep 29, 2004 02:11 PM ]
posted on September 29, 2004 02:23:01 PM
Linda, it's time to hang up the apron old dear... your attitude is as old fashion as your beehive hair do!
It isn't women like Teresa Heinz Kerry, who have lost their femininity...not at all...women like Ms. Kerry are totally secure with their femininity, they don't have to play a subservient role or any role for that matter.
Only women who define themselves based on how they look and present themselves as non aggressive, milk-toast subservient second class citizens.. these are the ones who are not secure in their femininity.. sound familiar? Maggie
posted on September 29, 2004 02:26:22 PMSome women think and act like they have balls. They've lost the feminine side of themselves and most of them are single.
Linda_k, are you trying to tell me that a woman who thinks for herself and can speak out how she feels has "balls" and has lost her feminine side? Men are much the same as women because some are also more outspoken than others. You are the one that seems to see no inbetween here because you're the one bashing Teresa. She's not single so I guess she still has her feminine side, right?
And what's wrong if some of us prefer to have mates and others wish to stay single? Is there a stigma for those women who are happy with their lives without being married?
Sheesh, you talk like you're stuck back in the 50's and that you lost touch with the world half a century ago. Get out in the real world of 2004 and have a look around you and the women of today.
Also if you look around you will see that Bush is full of it when he keeps telling you that the war in Iraq is going just fine and that the economy is also. Not true.
posted on September 29, 2004 03:28:14 PM
kiara - what you and women like you appear to be unable to comprehend is a woman doesn't have to give up ANY part of herself and become subservient to a man in order to 'be her own person', speak her own mind, pursue her own dreams. She can be assertive in her relationships....but doesn't need to be aggressive or 'break a mans balls' to be themselves either....and those that tend to do just that...typically remain single.
I always enjoyed the line someone said about their pre-nup agreement. 'If Teresa can't trust john with her money, then why should we trust him with ours.' She's the one with power and control in their relationship....that's pretty clear. He married two rich women...leaving one in a time of need to marry an even richer woman.
But, imo, men pay a heavy price for marrying controlling, in-their-face women - and I really don't believe most men nor women like that in people.
The feminist movement has not been all it was originally thought it would be. Just like our topic speaks to....there are many, including democrats, who find Teresa a liability to her husband's campaign and her public behavior is part of the reason for that. So it's not just us women from the 50's and 60's. [b]It's obviously the women of today that are feeling this way.
posted on September 29, 2004 03:36:01 PM She's the one with power and control in their relationship....that's pretty clear.
And now you presume to know the intimate details of their marriage! You remind me of an old biddy sticking her nose into everyone's business...so damn judgmental and opinionated, two traits that I'm sure you would agree are not "LADY-LIKE"!
Maggie
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Sep 29, 2004 03:43 PM ]
....I think she's a perfect First Lady. I don't see her as being the type that walks ten feet behind her husband...I see her as a very supportive wife who has spent her time in the WH doing what she most enjoys....speaking out and supporting education. I judge her to be very articulate and she does speak her mind...just with a calmer, more self-controlled demeanor.
