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 Twelvepole
 
posted on October 2, 2004 05:11:59 PM
Voters in 10 States Likely to Ban Gay Marriages
By SARAH KERSHAW and JAMES DAO

Published: September 28, 2004

Correction Appended

With the recent passage of two state ballot measures banning same-sex marriage, opinion polls and advocates on both sides of the debate say similar initiatives are likely to be approved in as many as 10 other states in November, leading advocates of such marriages to pour money and manpower into a last stand in Oregon.

"Everything seems to point to a tougher battle in Oregon than it has been elsewhere," said Gary Bauer, chairman of the Campaign for Working Families, a political action committee supporting constitutional amendments that would only legally recognize marriage as between a man and a woman. "But I still think my side's got a good chance there."


From deeply conservative Southern states like Georgia and Mississippi to Midwest battlegrounds like Ohio and Michigan, the proposed bans appear on the ballot in 11 states, and opinion polls show widespread support. A recent poll in The Louisville Courier-Journal found that nearly three-quarters of the public in Kentucky supported the ban. Last month, voters in Missouri and Louisiana approved constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage by similar margins.

"We're going to lose a whole lot of them this year," said David Fleischer, director of organizing and training for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which has contributed $500,000 to the campaign to defeat the ban in Oregon, far more than it has to any other state.

Mr. Fleischer and other advocates of same-sex marriage conceded that Oregon - where the legal status of almost 3,000 gay marriages performed last March may hinge on the November vote and where voters often reject government interference in personal affairs - may be the only state where voters could deliver them a victory. National and local gay and civil rights groups say Oregon is crucial to their cause, if only to show that the right mix of money, message and organization may at least make winning possible - establishing a model that could be used in states likely to face gay-marriage battles.

"We're feeling good about Oregon," said Seth Kilbourn, national field director for the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group in Washington, D.C. "All of them are going to be uphill battles, but we are cautiously optimistic about Oregon."

In swing states like Oregon, Ohio and Michigan, supporters of the amendments say the measures could draw more conservatives to the polls on Election Day and thus prove critical to President Bush. Some analysts dispute that, saying turnout is likely to be high because of intense interest in the presidential race, not because of the amendments. And of the voters who do turn out mainly for the amendments, some will be Democrats, those analysts said.

"There is no advantage to Republicans to this being on the ballot," said Ed Sarpolus, vice president of EPIC-MRA, a Michigan polling firm.

In Oregon, both sides are knocking on doors, stuffing envelopes and preparing to battle through television commercials; amendment supporters began broadcasting ads two weeks ago, while opponents start running theirs on Oct. 11. Supporters of same-sex marriage contend that their internal polling shows a dead heat, while opponents cite their own polls and say Oregonians lean strongly in favor of an amendment.

Oregon has one of the nation's highest concentrations of gay couples, but many live in the Portland area, in the county where nearly 3,000 gay couples were married; voters elsewhere in the state tend to be far more conservative. "We're finding people are very supportive of the traditional notion of marriage and don't see this as a gay rights issue as much as a traditional marriage issue," said Georgene Rice of the Oregon Defense of Marriage Coalition.

Still, gay rights groups say they have reason to be optimistic that Oregonians could defeat the amendment, recalling the 1992 defeat of a proposed constitutional amendment that would have required the state to "discourage homosexuality" as well as two others that sought to forestall gains in gay rights.

"When we have a conversation with voters face to face, if they were a yes voter or an undecided voter, they quickly move to no," said Rebekah Kassell, a spokeswoman for "No On Constitutional Amendment 36," which has raised about $1.5 million, three times as much as its opponents.

While money has flowed to Oregon, opponents of amendments in the 10 other states, including Ohio, Michigan and Kentucky, face perhaps impossible odds, even some gay rights advocates acknowledge.


To show that the US does not want homosexual marriage and I approve this message
 
 Reamond
 
posted on October 2, 2004 05:43:50 PM
When it comes to Constitutional rights and freedoms, it makes no difference what the majority of people wants.

The Constitution exists to protect the rights of minorities.

 
 yeager
 
posted on October 2, 2004 05:47:42 PM
Reamond,

Exactly! But some thick headed bigots can't understand that.



Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.

Work to keep Church and State separate! http://www.au.org/site/PageServer

President Bush... the only true choice for more failed policies.

This long time republican is voting for John Kerry!
 
 Twelvepole
 
posted on October 2, 2004 05:49:33 PM
these are votes to add constitutional admendments to the their respective state constitutions... so for that state it will be constitutional.

Do you really think that kerry will carry the south if he comes out pro homosexual marriage? LOL not in my lifetime.


AIN'T LIFE GRAND...

Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
 
 yeager
 
posted on October 2, 2004 05:52:18 PM
Check out twelves response to my question in the Baptist Official Leaves Over Gay Policy
thread. It's laughable.



Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.

Work to keep Church and State separate! http://www.au.org/site/PageServer

President Bush... the only true choice for more failed policies.

This long time republican is voting for John Kerry!
 
 Twelvepole
 
posted on October 2, 2004 06:38:54 PM
You can't address the topic so you must continually address me yeager? Why are you so miserable?

Your own state is going to ban homosexual marriage, you have nothing to say about that?

One thing the left is not willing to recognize, this is not a civil rights issue... a lot deeper than that.


AIN'T LIFE GRAND...

Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
 
 
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