posted on April 19, 2005 01:54:21 PM new
Holy cow. The Cardinals must want to meet more often. 78 years old and looks it too. I wish the Pope good luck in his term.
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posted on April 19, 2005 02:53:04 PM new
I'm with Stoney on this one. I can see why they would want someone respected and admired, but SEVENTY EIGHT YEARS OLD?
Let's take a poll...
How long until we do this again?
A) Under three months
B) Four months to a Year
C) Under Five years
D) Under Ten years
E) Never. No more Popes.
And remember, the Pope previous to JPII (JPI?) only lasted 33 DAYS.
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posted on April 19, 2005 04:23:19 PM new
I saw this new Pope come out to the veranda to talk to the people-he doesnt look any better then the last one did.
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posted on April 19, 2005 04:33:53 PM new
IMO, they don't want a younger Pope that could possibly bring new ideas to the church. By electing one as outwardly and notoriously conservative as this, they are guaranteed that things will stay the same. There are branches of the Catholic church that want to break away from the Vatican because of its ancient ways. I think it's important for the church to bring itself more up-to-date to avoid losing younger parishioners. They certainly aren't going to do it with a 78 year old ultra-conservative.
posted on April 19, 2005 05:08:42 PM new
Cheryl, I agree, on the part that they do not want a younger pope. Vatican 2 was supposed to bring back the younger Catholics, but I don't think it did, however there are still a lot of young Catholics.
Someone mentioned that they picked this older cardinal to be Pope, as an 'interium' (sp?) Pope, that they may have another one in mind??? Interum, meaning, he's 78 and how long is his lifespan going to be? (thats awful to say, but I think some think that)
posted on April 19, 2005 07:08:50 PM new
"I think it's important for the church to bring itself more up-to-date"
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the changes you want to see. Got any suggestions?
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posted on April 20, 2005 12:18:13 AM new
Cheryl - one of the interesting theories I heard today was that although the church does feel it needs to come more in line with the times, it does not want these changes to happen right away thus making it look as though John Paul II was behind and detracting from his place in history. Because Pope Benny (come on, you know you all saw that one coming) is so advanced in age, his rule will probably not be overly long and will therefore allow for a younger more moderate Pope to be brought in sooner rather than later without casting shadows of John Pauls term.
Oh yeah - Replay - I say about 5 years.
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I'm not Catholic so I'll not make suggestions. The only thing I know is that of all the weddings I've attended, the Catholic ones are too long and too boring. Of all the funeral services I've attended, the Catholic ones are the coldest and most unfeeling. It's just my opinon. My father is Irish Catholic, but I was raised a Methodist.
posted on April 20, 2005 04:52:33 AM new
ALL wedding mass's are too long and boring.When you enter the church,the priest,or minister should cut the crap and get to the point, like "Do you two promise to screw each other till death do you part?"..YOU DO? Good! I now pronouce you man and wife" The last two weddings we went to,we skipped the church and went straight to the reception.
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Too funny, but true. I was a bridesmaid in a Catholic wedding and was exhausted before the reception even came along.
My daughter wants a short ceremony. I was married in the church's chapel and it lasted about 15 minutes. Perfect!
Ken does some music work for a Catholic church around here that's progressive and wants to move away from the strict rules of the Vatican. They've kept a very large congregation because of it. It's located in a poor neighborhood, but even people from the rich suburbs attend it.
posted on April 20, 2005 11:09:44 AM new
Cheryl, in the catholic church a wedding is a sacrament, so there is a mass. You're not going to avoid that.
IMO, they don't want a younger Pope that could possibly bring new ideas to the church.
The only "new" idea the CC has had in 500 years is it's okay to eat meat on Good Friday. The doctrine is simply not based on incorporating new things into it. You either believe the bible is the word of God and you follow it, or you say God is a lier, and man knows better.
posted on April 20, 2005 12:43:06 PM new
Cheryl the new ideas came with Vatican II, the different countries could now have Mass in that countries language, instead of in Latin (oh, I remember the Latin Mass) And that the priest would be facing you, instead of his back turned and he looking to the altar the whole time.
There are Catholic Churches that do NOT go by Vatican II, and they still do the Mass in Latin, and the whole deal that was BEFORE Vatican II.
I know about the Wedding Mass, dbl, yes Marriage is one of the Holy Sacraments, but there are ways to get around that.
Even well over 75 years ago, my grandmother was Catholic, my grandfather was not. The priest in their homeland of Ireland, married them in the rectory. She always told us that, and in front of my grandfather, because she SO much wanted him to become Catholic, and he always refused, HOWEVER, every Sunday and Holy Day he would go with my grandmother to Mass here. When he passed on, no one made mention that he was NOT Catholic, so he got a Catholic Mass Funeral. Since he sat there every Sunday, everyone, including their parish priest thought he was Catholic
posted on April 20, 2005 01:46:38 PM new but there are ways to get around that... lol NTS!!! I think the Catholics have ways of getting around many things! But I think the intension is to follow the spirit of Jesus maybe, and not so much the strict adherence to doctrine? I forgot about the change from Latin mass to other language. I love the Mass in Latin at Christmas, tho! There's something really stirring about that language in prayer, 'specially when they sing.
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