CBlev65252
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posted on May 3, 2005 01:43:49 PM new
Come on. This is getting ridiculous. A photo ID to get a license? And where are you to get this photo ID? So, you need a photo ID to get a photo ID. Many use their driver's license. But, wait. You won't have a license because you don't have a photo ID. The documents they want to require can all be easily forged. Who are they kidding? This sounds more like a national ID card than a driver's license. Set standards on birth certificates? I was born in ____, they expect mine will need to be changed? Or will I have to be reborn so that I have the 9/11 commission approved version? The 9/11 commission should be working on other things besides invading my privacy. Like, locating terrorists already in this country. They really need something to do.
Driver's license a hassle? It may get worse
Congress weighs 9/11 security measure, but governors oppose
MOTOR VEHICLES OFFICE
Cathleen Allison / AP
Department of Motor Vehicles offices like this one in Carson City, Nev., could take on new duties under a congressional proposal aimed at countering terrorism.
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 11:03 a.m. ET May 3, 2005
WASHINGTON - Americans could soon be required to show four types of ID when applying for a driver's license. Despite objections from governors and state legislatures, Congress is close to passing that requirement as a post-Sept. 11 security measure.
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Civil liberties and gun rights supporters, two groups often at odds, also oppose the measure on privacy grounds, saying they fear driver’s licenses will evolve into a national identification card.
Under the legislation, Americans applying for driver’s licenses would have to bring far more information with them to motor vehicle offices. They would be asked to show birth certificates, a photo ID, proof of their Social Security number and a document with full name and home address, according to a copy of the bill obtained by The Associated Press. It was unclear how the legislation would affect the renewal of licenses for citizens.
Verification required
Motor vehicle departments would be required to verify the documents and the Social Security numbers. States still could give licenses to illegal immigrants, but they would have different designs or colors to alert security officers that they are unacceptable as IDs for boarding planes or entering federal buildings.
Governors and state legislatures oppose the provisions as too costly, and force motor vehicle officials to become immigration officers.
"Governors share the concern for increasing the security and integrity of the driver's license and state identification processes," Raymond Scheppach, the head of the National Governors Association, said in a recent statement. But, he added, the proposed legislation "would impose unrealistic technological standards and burdensome verification procedures on states."
Undermine existing work?
The National Conference of State Legislatures estimated the legislation could cost states more than $500 million and undermine existing efforts to make driver's licenses more secure.
Those efforts are centered on recommendations first proposed by the president's Sept. 11 commission. State and federal officials should focus on those rather than dismantling the Sept. 11 Commission reforms and impose a rigid, "one-size-fits-all" mandate, NCSL Executive Director William Pound said in the joint statement with the governors association.
The two groups noted that an existing framework exists through the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 and "provides the opportunity to develop effective national standards."
Congress should "oppose any legislative effort that would curtail this ongoing rulemaking process," the added.
Senate negotiators give green light
Under the federal legislation, which was attached to a bill funding operations in Iraq, states would have three years after the bill becomes law to meet the standards or their driver’s licenses won’t be accepted by federal officers for identification.
The House and Senate passed separate Iraq funding bills, and only the House included the license provision. But Senate negotiators working on a compromise bill on Monday accepted the House provision.
All but one of the 19 hijackers in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks had some form of U.S. identification, some of it fraudulent, the Sept. 11 Commission found. The commission recommended the federal government set standards for birth certificates and other identification documents, including driver’s licenses.
Cheryl
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 3, 2005 03:26:04 PM new
It's amazing how many things are marketed as a result of 9/11. How stupid!
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 3, 2005 03:34:58 PM new
This sounds more like a national ID card
Yep. They've been moving toward this for years!
And now I'm gonna start a riff, because they even talk about that in the bible you know.........
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 3, 2005 05:51:49 PM new
That or a passport.
Ron
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dadofstickboy
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posted on May 3, 2005 06:33:29 PM new
I'm in Jersey.
I haven't done it yet but my wife has.
They give you a list of items you can bring, each item is worth a certain number of points.
You need enough documents to total 13 or 14 points.
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Libra63
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posted on May 3, 2005 07:16:52 PM new
That's interesting dad. What were some of the items she had to bring...
Our govenor just vetoed the bill for picture voter IDs. He said it would stop the seniors and people who didn't drive from voting because they didn't have a way to get the ID.
I think a finger print would be the best way for identification. The canadian-US borders have the computer that checks index finger prints and maybe the DMV should get that also. It's to easy to enter the US. I will bet everyone will need a passport before to long.
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Bear1949
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posted on May 3, 2005 08:35:28 PM new
As I read this, it appears the bill is aimed at NEW drivers license applicants, not renewals.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
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CBlev65252
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posted on May 4, 2005 03:24:08 AM new
Bear
It could affect renewals. It was unclear how the legislation would affect the renewal of licenses for citizens. Renewals would be easier. Simply bring in your old license and you have your photo ID. However, most states do not recognize anything other than a state ID or a driver's license as a photo ID. So, you'd have to pay the state for a state ID to turn around and pay the state for a license. The state ID then becomes no good so you've wasted that money.
I'm actually surprised that the states are against this. It would bring them more money. I'm glad they are, though. It isn't going to help prevent terrorism. All of the documents they are requiring can be forged. IMO, it's just a way to track where you are and who you are. I'm not a terrorist and I resent being treated like I am.
Cheryl
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colin
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posted on May 4, 2005 04:11:58 AM new
I usually register my vehicles at the Saratoga NY motor Vehicle office. I can't tell you how many times I've seen alleles trying to get NY driver licenses. Phony out of state licenses, social security cards and other documentation.
I know you Libs will say...they just want a job, what's the big deal but the 911 group just wanted to learn to fly a jet.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
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Bear1949
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posted on May 4, 2005 06:41:32 AM new
It was unclear how the legislation would affect the renewal of licenses for citizens.
Cheryl. I still don't see it affecting renewals, even the above statement does not address the issue.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 4, 2005 08:24:08 PM new
Hey Rev.Colin said "I know you Libs will say...they just want a job, what's the big deal but the 911 group just wanted to learn to fly a jet.
Amen,"
Hey Rev, I am a Liberal and very proud of being a Liberal. You said this statement "I know you Libs". Well sir I am here to say you don't know this Liberal as well as you think.
I don't want millions of illegal aliens rounding around America with or without a Drivers license. Its the Conservative republican in this White House that is not sealing our borders not the "LIBS"
If you want respect you need to show some respect and think about better wording your statements.
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Libra63
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posted on May 4, 2005 09:21:19 PM new
I just renewed mine and it is for 8 years. How do they know I will be here that long 
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Libra63
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posted on May 4, 2005 09:25:54 PM new
Is this coming from you bigpeepa?
If you want respect you need to show some respect and think about better wording your statements I think you need to reread that statement. also you said
Well sir I am here to say you don't know this Liberal as well as you think Oh yes we do
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 5, 2005 04:40:40 AM new
Libra63, since you rudely jumped in on my reply to someone else. I will take a minute and again try to make it very clear once and for all how this Liberal feels about you. You and a few others like you are a ZERO on my respect scale. Nothing more or nothing less.
I am still waiting for a reply Rev.Colin
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 06:09:00 AM new
Open discussion board.
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 07:45:28 AM new
Libra63, since you rudely jumped in on my reply to someone else. I will take a minute and again try to make it very clear once and for all how this Liberal feels about you. You and a few others like you are a ZERO on my respect scale. Nothing more or nothing less.
I wasn't rude, unlike you, I didn't jump as I have a bad hip. And wow a 0 on you respect scale. Hurray I finally made it.......
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 5, 2005 12:07:29 PM new
Libra63 Cheer again, because of your last two posts you are now at 100% on my child like stupider scale.
Just remember its your President that has done nothing to close our borders. Except blow hot air about the problem like he does on almost all important issues facing the U.S.A. Some of that hot air came along with Bush's "good friend" President Fox of Mexico when they both called The Minute Men that are guarding some of our southern borders "VIGILANTES".
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profe51
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posted on May 5, 2005 12:52:25 PM new
allele
n : one of two alternate forms of a gene that can have the same locus on homologous chromosomes and are responsible for alternative traits; "some alleles are dominant over others" [syn: allelomorph]
Colin, how can you spot an allele in a crowd? I've tried, I tell you, but I can't tell em from anybody else...
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
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dadofstickboy
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posted on May 5, 2005 01:19:50 PM new
She had to take her old license.= points
Birth Certificate.=points
Social Security Card.=points
And an Electric Bill for address.
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CBlev65252
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posted on May 5, 2005 04:18:59 PM new
It would be great if they'd clarify what the bill would require if:
1. You lost your license and had to get a replacement,
2. You are renewing your license,
3. What you should use as a photo ID when applying for a new license, and,
4. Since these documents supposedly have to be checked, how long a wait is there between applying for the license and actually getting one? Do you have to renew your license a month ahead of time to allow for the verification process? How are they planning on verifying birth certificates? SS cards would be relatively easy to verify, but birth certificates would be another story.
The enormous amount of extra work for other agencies would be a burdon especially when it comes to having to verify each and every document.
Libra
Eight years? Lucky you. I renew mine every four. More money in the state's pocket. Mine is coming up for renewal next year. Producing my birth certificate will be a royal pain. I have to write to Columbus to get it and then wait for it to arrive in the mail. For some strange reason, even though I was born in the Cleveland area, my birth certificate is housed in Columbus. Hmmm, maybe there's something my parents neglected to tell me about my place of birth.
Cheryl
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 07:27:28 PM new
In our local paper today the editorial was on National Drivers licenses. So maybe that is the way they are going to try and go. For identification was a SS number and previous drivers license. I didn't read the whole thing and of course my husband threw out the paper already.
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 07:38:17 PM new
Bigpeepa I am surprised someone hasn't jumped on this before. Especially the school teacher.
You are more stupid than I thought.
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[ edited by Libra63 on May 5, 2005 07:40 PM ]
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CBlev65252
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posted on May 5, 2005 08:11:28 PM new
Libra
Or, as my granddaughter puts it: stupit
Cheryl
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 08:18:17 PM new
Don't ya just love those grandchildren....
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Linda_K
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posted on May 5, 2005 08:29:36 PM new
LOL - The lefties here, once again, cracking me up. Complain over and over and over again that this admin. is doing NOTHING to protect us. Then when OUR CONGRESS does....they complain about how much it will cost, bla bla bla. 
The House passed this bill 369-58.....so not many Representatives felt the way the ULTRA-liberals here do....or the Blame Bush for Everything group do. I doubt the 58 voting against this House bill were voting against funding our troops again. Of course, I look forward to checking when the Senate votes to see how kerry or edwards or h. clinton voted......maybe they [k & e] will AGAIN vote against this major funding to our troops efforts. They did last time....wouldn't surprise me if they did again.
"National standards for driver's licenses will discourage illegal immigration and make it harder for terrorists to get documents to evade security, supporters of the bill said."
Which is exactly how the 9-11 terrorists were able to get on to the planes to begin with - using their drivers licenses as identification. So...NOW the dems HERE don't like this new bill/want it to pass.....which would take us back to square one so they can continue complaining NOTHING is being done to protect us.
While I would rather not see ANY undocumented person in the US be given an ID card of any sort....at least this calls for 'singling them out' with a different type of ID....one that will NOT allow them to use it for purposes like flying on our airlines.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
edited because the Senate has not voted yet.....but it's expected they too will pass this bill by a large majority. We'll see.
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 5, 2005 08:50:04 PM new
Linda_K,
How satisfied are you with what Bush said during his press conference?
Not at all 62%
Very 30%
Somewhat 8%
How would you rate Bush's overall job performance?
Poor 57%
Excellent 23%
Good 12%
Fair 9%
Total Votes: 40,024
Do you understand Bush's Social Security plan?
Yes 68%
No 32%
Do you support it?
No 73%
Yes 27%
Total Votes: 19,037
Do you understand Bush's energy plan?
Yes 64%
No 36%
Do you support it?
No 70%
Yes 30%
Total Votes: 18,940
Do you approve of Bush's handling of Iraq?
No 70%
Yes 30%
Do you approve of Bush's handling of the economy?
No 73%
Yes 27%
Total Votes: 19,961
It looks like a lot more Americans than just "The lefties here" and "ULTRA-liberals here" also think the President you voted for is doing a bad job.
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 5, 2005 09:09:49 PM new
HEY Libra63, I used “stupider” as a bait. guess who bited. You should have the word EASY tattooed across your forehead. LOL
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Linda_K
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posted on May 5, 2005 09:10:49 PM new
peepa - I understand that you can't comprehend what others have said to you about the lack of representation YOUR stupid polls prove. They prove NOTHING....they will change NOTHING....so post away.
One thing you constantly appear to ignore is that our CONGRESS is voting these measures in, as they have done with THIS House bill. Those votes THAT DO COUNT and are coming from the dem side of the aisle too.
But...I understand you just refuse to ignore the facts and prefer to continue posting your aol polls that changing absolutely nothing.
carry on.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 5, 2005 09:15:04 PM new
guess who bited
LOL
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Libra63
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posted on May 5, 2005 09:36:28 PM new
Caught you on that one Bigpeepa. No I absolutely don't believe you. You can say that now after I criticized you but I know that you don't know anything about English, that is why you are on AOL as they do the work for you. When you have to do something on your own you fail.
Who bited linda
Now tell me bigpeepa what did that poll you posted have to do with New Driver's License Requirements?
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