posted on May 14, 2005 03:53:44 PM
I am sure just like the presidency things will turn around. There are so many changes in a state level almost more than in the country. When you have a democratic govenor and a democratic congress what the govenor wants he will get and visa versa and that's fine with me. If it going to improve the state that is a plus and makes you think about the next election. I think your recall vote in Washington really split the state. Many states have lots of problems and I am happy we aren't one of them. Yet!
Cheryl speaks alot about Ohio and the dire straights that state is in and that's to bad but they keep electing the same people. I don't understand. I think it has been republican ever since I can remember, but I could be wrong as I am many times as I am also reminded of that.
posted on May 14, 2005 04:10:12 PM
Yup. I'm in Ohio. Anything that CAN be done wrong, Taft will do it that way.
I don't care if he IS a Republican, I'd vote for ANYONE who ran against him. Even John Kerry would have a pretty good chance to win as Governor if he moved to Ohio.
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posted on May 14, 2005 04:32:52 PM
I voted for Ernie Fletcher and I for one don't see where he's done a damn thing for Kentucky. Our roads in Boyle county look like something from the 1800's in fact they would be in better shape if they were dirt. The only time you see a cop is when they are buying doughnuts. Only select vendors have to buy business license and pay taxes in flea markets and vendor malls. The rest pocket the money and pay nothing while they collect welfare and disability checks.
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Ohio has a very large bible belt area. These are people that for generations have voted only one way - republican. It doesn't matter who is running or what they may have done, they are voting republican. A friend of mine has a son living in southern Ohio. The people living there are dirt poor. They live in substandard housing and come from generations of mine workers. Yet, they voted for Bush a second time. Their situation was bad and is getting worse under Bush. Their pastors tell them who to vote for and that's what they do. They still believe the Lord will save them from all this poverty if only they do what their pastors want. Then, you have the farming community. Heavy republicans. With this administration wanting to cut farm subsidies, you'd think it would be otherwise. But there again, you have the generations of people voting only one way. It's called conditioning.
Now for Taft. He is the most worthless excuse for a human being I've ever come across. The federal government has announced that they will be laying off 1,000 workers here in Cleveland. NASA is also laying off workers and lost a bid for a new facility here which would have created jobs. With the highest poverty rate in the nation, you'd think an administration that owes its re-election to this state would at least do something to thank us. Now, we have Dennis Kucinich, Mayor Jane Campbell, Councilwoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones and more all fighting to keep those jobs here. Has Taft stepped up and said anything about this situation? Hell no, he hasn't. He's being a good little Bush puppet and keeping his mouth shut. He's sitting in his cushy office doing nothing. Thankfully, he's a lame duck and we never have to have him as governor again. However, he's being paid with our tax dollars.
Kucinich: "One has to question why this Administration is closing military installations in Cleveland and at the same time they are building them in Iraq. This Administration, put into office by the voters of Ohio, seems more interested in jobs for war profiteers in Baghdad than hard-working people in Cleveland."
If Kenneth Blackwell is voted in as governor, it will make having Taft as governor seem like the best thing since sliced bread. Blackwell is a conniving, corrupt poor excuse for a human being. This state is doomed.
Cheryl
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posted on May 15, 2005 05:49:04 AM
"If Kenneth Blackwell is voted in as governor, it will make having Taft as governor seem like the best thing since sliced bread. Blackwell is a conniving, corrupt poor excuse for a human being. This state is doomed."
Agreed. His radio commercials during the last elections were really disgusting. To be honest, I can't even remember what it was that he was advertising against (the gay marriage bill maybe?), but it was clearly innapropriate and left a big impression on me.
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posted on May 15, 2005 06:38:31 AM
Yes, replay, I remember some of his comments. Another one was that he would do what it takes to get Bush elected in this state. Makes you wonder how much voter tampering he was a part of.
posted on May 15, 2005 07:00:22 AM
Very interesting post, Cheryl!
The situation that you describe in Ohio illustrates the problem of regional imbalance in the job market and how the number of jobs recently announced is insufficient to handle the unemployment rate in your state. Many of the people in your area may not have the means to relocate or the skills needed to take advantage of the new jobs.
posted on May 15, 2005 07:32:40 AM
So you are saying that the Democrats can't offer a cadidate that has some modicum of respectability and integrity and win the election?
I refuse to believe that, when the democrats figure out what the people want and then offer a candidate that can match that, they will win again.
I have yet to see anyone look at why President Bush won the election again, but continue to look for excuses why the democats didn't win.
It is simple, they didn't have a candidate that anyone could reasonably vote for.
But I promise I won't vote for Bush in the next election
posted on May 15, 2005 07:54:28 AM
"""So you are saying that the Democrats can't offer a cadidate that has some modicum of respectability and integrity and win the election? """
posted on May 15, 2005 08:23:42 AMyou'd think an administration that owes its re-election to this state would at least do something to thank us....
lol Cheryl wouldnt that just be playing politics then?
They are closing bases all over. Not just Ohio, as I'm sure you know. Its strategic and logistic (far as I can reckon but dont understand.) I am glad we've have had governors who've fought hard here because for awhile there wasnt much else for the economy. But there's always real building and real estate. (yay!)
I dont understand them closing Ft. Monmouth. They cropped the Brooklyn navy yard, they cut what base was that in NJ? the one that references gold or something, they sheared out the one up in Mt. Airy, and now Ft.Monmouth? I dont mean to be rude, but what the hell is in Ohio? When those terrorists try again to go after the financial markets and smack the torch out of Ms. Liberty's hand, I guess the best they will do is fly somebody up from Delaware or something?
posted on May 15, 2005 08:37:25 AM
No Crowfarm, I will tell you whats the matter with the democrats. They dont cater to their own base. Abortion? Well,er..ah... No. Too bad Libs want the right to choose. God? Well,...er...umm.. Maybe. - No. Civil rights civil liberties. Where is the fight? But you see, they're so busy complaining that the right has the market on decency, they abandon their whole party platform.
I just heard kennedy say he questions so and so's competency. Well! About time! Where's the hell's the fight? Nowhere. Stop crying and drop the dirty cause that only works in your bedroom. Tell me what you believe in and stop selling me mud.
Sort like comments like this:
ohh dont worry, the christians will be along to fight after church. but then: I dont try to take anybody's religion away." You should be damn skippy you want to keep religion and politics at bay. Just like the your opposing skipper is they belong together.
Ah well,...said my two cents.
Sing my song on the way out:
Whoo-hoo,,,whoo-whoo hooo.....(i love that commercial!)
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posted on May 15, 2005 08:59:08 AM
dbl you are right.
If they would find a candidate that wanted to be President to help America instead of his own agenda then they would at least get a foot in the door. I have said that over and over again but somehow there are people on this board that can't understand that. I think they have tunnel vision. I am not going over everything again to show that Kerry was the worst person that could represent them. He was always for himself every since he wanted to be like JFK.
Even if I didn't like his liaisons he still was a good president. He was here too short a time. John Kerry was not their man and instead of complaining they need to find someone that will help them not hinder them.
Wisconsin went from a Republican Govenor to a Democratic Govenor and I see no change in the way things are done. The state is doing good, as before, not much fighting in congress. Bills get passed. Business move in and move out. Our unemployment rate is about 6% but it seems like new stores are opening up everyday. The minimum wage is going to take a hike.
Cheryl voting is private and I am sure that ministers are out preaching who people should vote for, I have never heard one, but blame the voters of Ohio that don't have a back bone and vote who they want? Voting is a private matter and nobody knows who you vote for unless you tell them. Once they voted it is to late to change. What would the ministers do if their congregation went against what they preach? It is done all the time.
edited to take out a sentence that didn't fit.
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:04:59 AM voting is private and I am sure that ministers are out preaching who people should vote for, I have never heard one...
You know, Libra. That is a quacked out myth the dems try to use to. Preachers preach God, few and far inbetween get into politics.
add an "ugh!"
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:18:53 AM
" Whoever "owns" the voting machines and the people who run them wins.
Whoever intimidates the most voters wins.
Whoever lies the most wins."
I always wondered how Bill Clinton got elected for 8 years..now I know.
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:24:13 AM
WashingtoneBayer- I find it amusing that you are so quick to claim Gregoire cheated in your state elections, but you fail to note what your own Republicans have done in your state. Remember when those Republicans told the Democrats that they should just concede as a matter of goodwill for the State of Washington. I believe that was because their candidate, Rossi was winning at the time. Now that the results are finalized, the Republicans are the one's crying foul. Get over it and start dealing with other pressing issues like all those base closures and how it is going to affect thousands of families in your state.
And if you want to start pointing fingers at Gregoire, then maybe we should look at those fine examples of Republicans in the grand old State of Washington. Take you're mayor of Spokane (former Republican leader of the State Senate) ... Jim West. Now that is an honest Republican. Pushes anti-gay/anti teen sex legislation all his political career, only to find out later that he is gay (though obviously in denial), is now accused of trying to hook up with a 17 year old boy via the internet, offering illegal gifts and trying to hire gays to work for him in city hall via internet chatrooms in an attempt to date them. Oh, and let's not forget that almighty final log on the fire... he is now being accused of molesting two boys when he was a Sherrif Deputy and Boy Scout Leader.
Read the AP article on this good ole' Republican at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050501868.html or this article from CNN http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/spokane.mayor.ap/
The NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/08/national/08spokane.html
and finally, for all those Conservatives, I will give you Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156428,00.html
Personally, the least important thing about Jim West is the fact that he is gay. There is nothing wrong with being gay. What goes on between consenting adults is one thing, Jim West is another.
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:37:20 AM
Isn't it funny that it took 3 counts to get Gregoire in?
Rossi won 2 of the recounts who should of conceded? I am surprised he did not challenge but seems he did what is good for the state. She will be a one time winner.
Working in Portland, I get to hear all the wonderful things about Kulongoski, not.
I support base closures, takes people off the government teat. I guess saving 50 Billion is not allowed.
Whether he is gay or not, he is not allowed to be against gay measures? Isn't that what elected officials are supposed to do represent their constituents? Not themselves?
I also hear that the allegations are beyond any statue of limitations.
posted on May 15, 2005 09:56:32 AM
Closing the bases will provide more fodder for the Bush warmongering recruiters and perhaps avoid a draft. Saving 50 billion is not really the goal.
posted on May 15, 2005 10:13:26 AM
"Isn't it funny that it took 3 counts to get Gregoire in?"
This is a stupid point. I suppose if the tables were reversed and Rossi won, it would have been 3 counts for him as well. So, what does that have to do with it?
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"Rossi won 2 of the recounts who should of conceded?"
You really missed the point didn't you? No one should concede in such a close election until the votes were finalized. My point is that the Republicans were the hypocrites.
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"I am surprised he did not challenge but seems he did what is good for the state."
He as a candidate didn't challenge it, but the Republicans did. Political strategy would be that a candidates career could end if he challenged an election, instead he went through the Republican party.
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"She will be a one time winner."
So, you are conceding she won. Why would you even bother to bring Gregoire up in the first place?
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"Working in Portland, I get to hear all the wonderful things about Kulongoski, not."
So, Kulongoski is an unpopular governor... and that has to do with Washington Politics, Gregoire, or West because????
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"I support base closures, takes people off the government teat. I guess saving 50 Billion is not allowed."
Yeah, funny how that works... It is a matter of convenience when Bush is President. Republicans closing bases are ok because falls under "budget cuts", but when a Democrat is in office, Republicans cry foul claiming Dems are "anti military". Bush is putting this country on a dangerous path of self destruction. Closing bases will only create further problems. Where are all those servicemen going to go when they come back from Iraq and Afghanistan? How will this compromise that "National Security" that Bush touted?
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"Whether he is gay or not, he is not allowed to be against gay measures? Isn't that what elected officials are supposed to do represent their constituents? Not themselves?"
I suppose you're right. So, by that assumption, if the majority of America supports the choice of a woman to have an abortion, why is Bush pushing his personal anti-abortion agenda? Or why is the President pushing Privatized Social Security when a very large majority of Americans are against the idea. Shouldn't he be representing his constituents as well?
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"I also hear that the allegations are beyond any statue of limitations."
And if he is guilty of sexually abusing minors, this is ok??? Wow, that just goes to show how backwards your thought process is. Also remember, that even though he could escape criminal charges because of the statute of limitations, he can still face civil lawsuits just as the Catholic Church has. Also, if he was found to have used government equipment (computers) to visit gay.com or offered jobs to people in order to get a date, that would be criminal.
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posted on May 15, 2005 10:14:58 AM
I disagree, the only reason to close a base is to save money. Base closings have been going on for years, this year is no different.
We cannot continue to support bases that are no longer needed and support operations out of the US.
posted on May 15, 2005 10:28:38 AM
Ron, glad you brought that up. Rossi did win the first round, automatic recount, he won again. Gregoire had to raise $? to do yet another recount, and finds that she wins by 129 votes?? Thats pretty damn close.
The mayor of Spokane, I hear about him here and there, since that is eastern WA, but the allegations are NOT because he is gay, its his using favortism and giving jobs to people he met in internet chat rooms, and yes, some young men have accused him of molestation when they were younger.
I do not like Gregoire, she's a rubberstamping Gov. meaning she signs EVERYTHING that comes to her. She did promise NO MORE TAXES in her campaign, guess what? thats all she has been signing.
The latest being a BIG tax on gas, like it isn't high enough?
And Helen, there an none, zero, nada, base closings in WA state.
