posted on May 31, 2005 08:46:42 AM new
Ironically I just reread All The Presidents Men last week and thruout was looking for the little clues.
NBC news just stated that then Deputy Directer of the FBI Mark Felt, has admitted to being Deep Throat. I could not find anything on the web yet (It via a Vanity Fair release) and I'm sure there will be much more info on him and all the surrounding events, and I think it will be interesting to hear Woodward finally be able to talk about it but here is a little info on Felt from one of the "Who is Deep Throat" sites.
Mark Felt, FBI Deputy Associate Director
Who is he? Now aged 90 (now 91), Felt was deputy associate director at the time of Watergate.
When did the speculation begin? Felt was a prime candidate from the outset. He has been named as the most likely suspect in several studies, but has always denied it.
The case for: Felt had the motive. He was one of the J Edgar Hoover "old guard' at the FBI, and hoped to succeed the old man in 1972. Instead, Nixon picked a loyalist, L Patrick Gray, as acting director. Felt was the bureau's point man in dealings with the White House. He would have been fully abreast of the investigation into the break-in and would have known many of the leading actors. He was known to be a rare FBI operative who would return reporters' calls. The President's chief of staff, H R Haldeman, told Nixon that Felt was responsible for "most of" the leaks already plaguing the White House. Much has been made of a rumoured 1999 visit by Woodward to Felt's home in California. In 1999 a newspaper claimed that Carl Bernstein's son had told another boy that Felt was Deep Throat. Bernstein and Bernstein's former wife deny the allegation.
The case against: He has asserted that no single individual could have known everything that Deep Throat purportedly knew.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on May 31, 2005 08:47 AM ]
posted on May 31, 2005 04:14:11 PM new
Well you have to give those reporters credit. I wonder how I would keep a secret that long.
According to the news Felt told his family about 3 years ago. Felt even wrote a book and didn't reveal anything.
The Watergate breakin should never have happened in the first place. No knowledge was gained in the breakin if I remember correctly. I haven't read anything for probably 30 years about the case. I guess to young to really care about politics but old enough to vote.
posted on May 31, 2005 04:43:49 PM new
Washington Post Confirms Felt Was 'Deep Throat'
Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee Reveal Former FBI Official as Secret Watergate Source
By William Branigin and David Von Drehle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 31, 2005; 6:33 PM
The Washington Post today confirmed that W. Mark Felt, a former number-two official at the FBI, was "Deep Throat," the secretive source who provided information that helped unravel the Watergate scandal in the early 1970s and contributed to the resignation of president Richard M. Nixon.
The confirmation came from Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the two Washington Post reporters who broke the Watergate story, and their former top editor, Benjamin C. Bradlee. The three spoke after Felt's family and Vanity Fair magazine identified the 91-year-old Felt, now a retiree in California, as the long-anonymous source who provided crucial guidance for some of the newspaper's groundbreaking Watergate stories.
The Vanity Fair story said Felt had admitted his "historic, anonymous role" following years of denial.
In a statement today, Woodward and Bernstein said, "W. Mark Felt was 'Deep Throat' and helped us immeasurably in our Watergate coverage. However, as the record shows, many other sources and officials assisted us and other reporters for the hundreds of stories that were written in The Washington Post about Watergate."
Felt's guidance to Woodward -- provided on "deep background" in secret meetings -- helped keep public attention focused on the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington's Watergate office and apartment complex, and on a subsequent cover-up effort. This ultimately led to a congressional investigation that revealed the role of Nixon and a number of his top aides. Under threat of impeachment, Nixon resigned in 1974.
Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee had kept the identity of "Deep Throat" secret at the source's request, saying his name would be revealed upon his death. "We've kept that secret because we keep our word," Woodward said.
But with the Vanity Fair article and the family's statement, the three decided today to break their silence.
Bradlee said today, "The thing that stuns me is that the goddamn secret has lasted this long." He was the Post's executive editor during Watergate and now is a vice president of the newspaper.
Woodward agreed to confirm his source's identity despite skepticism that the former FBI official was competent to decide to change the ground rules of their secret relationship. Felt has been in declining health since suffering a stroke in 2001.
Woodward, now a Post assistant managing editor, said he is writing an article for Thursday's newspaper that will provide a personal account of his and Bernstein's experience in covering Watergate. Bernstein left the Post in 1976 and is now a freelance writer.
Woodward said Felt helped The Post at a time of tense relations between the White House and much of the FBI hierarchy. He said the Watergate break-in came shortly after the death of legendary FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, Felt's mentor, and that Felt and other bureau officials wanted to see an FBI veteran promoted to succeed Hoover.
Felt himself had hopes that he would be the next FBI director, but Nixon instead appointed an administration insider, assistant attorney general L. Patrick Gray, to the post.
posted on May 31, 2005 07:03:30 PM new
"Felt himself had hopes that he would be the next FBI director, but Nixon instead appointed an administration insider, assistant attorney general L. Patrick Gray, to the post."
Well there's your motive-when I thought back about the incident I remember John Dean and a few others spilling their guts to save their own hide, I was pissed off about that.Today I hear on the news about this guy,which I never heard of.They proceeded to tell about the information he handed out-I figured well,the guy is one of those"do gooders" who figured Nixon was doing the wrong thing and this incident should be out in the open.Then they also had his grandson on and he stated his grandfather was a hero.Now after reading that last paragraph,this guys motive wasn't do to the right or conscientious thing-it was pure revenge.This guy was worse then Dean,he wasnt trying to save his hide or had anything to gain from this except personal revenge. Hero my ass,this guy was a scumbag.
[ edited by classicrock000 on May 31, 2005 07:19 PM ]
posted on May 31, 2005 07:08:10 PM new
And here I thought Deep Throat was going to be Linda.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on May 31, 2005 07:15:46 PM new
LOL dad
I know the x-files had an episode entitled
Deep Throat-but i cant remember what it was about.
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[ edited by classicrock000 on May 31, 2005 07:17 PM ]
posted on May 31, 2005 08:33:14 PM new
Linda-I think he meant Linda Lovelace who starred in a porno flick in the 70's called Deep Throat.
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
posted on May 31, 2005 08:38:13 PM new
Classic - no matter what you think of him, he didn't make up information. He did not falsly accuse. He did not plant documentation. He exposed a level of corruption and crime unprescedented in US history.
It's incredible to me that you have a group of people entrusted by the american public that were flat out drunk with power and had complete disregard for the american people and the constitution and what sickens you is that someone actually had the gall to help expose them.
Interesting set of priorities you got there.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 31, 2005 08:38:58 PM new
classic - That well may be...but he and I have a past which was filled with his sexual innunendos and vile and vulgar statements...like his accusing me o sleeping with my son...etc.
So...if you're correct in this case, that would be just fine with me. But if this is the beginning of his past posts towards me...he got his warning.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on May 31, 2005 09:02:33 PM new
Since he has been hiding his identity for 30 years why did he come forward now? Do you think he is the real Deep Throat? He stated that he wanted to be the top gun in the FBI but when he didn't get the job he was very upset. I think this will always be a mystery and of course everyone will believe him but is he really the one...?
posted on May 31, 2005 09:17:37 PM new
Your 'good grief' comment should have been directed to logansdad WHEN he was saying all those vulgar things to me, helen. Not to me now when I'm explaining why I took his post the way I did.
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posted on May 31, 2005 09:18:19 PM new
Helen do you think it was all right for him to say that? What if he would have said that about you? Now I know Linda can fight her own battles but what he said was way off base.
posted on May 31, 2005 10:14:42 PM new
Libra - Woodward and Bernstein have now confirmed that he was Deep Throat and Woodward has said that Thursday he will publish an article in the Post about that period of time.
Ironically, had he been given the job the Watergate scandal probbly would have simply died. Gray is the one that turned a fan on the house of cards. It was Grays testimony during his confirmation hearings that resulted in the legal investigations. The legal investigations are what turned all of the players against each other and in the end brought it all down.
I predict that All The Presidents Men is going to hit the Best Seller list again. I had forgotten what an interesting book it was. Amazing just how many times the story almost died and would have had it not been for the sheer determination of Woodward and Bernstien.
Of course today they would have been written off as liberal crackpot blame america first anti-americans.
BTW - did you know that Brit Hume was Jack Andersons assistant at the time of Watergate? Mindless Trivia I found strangely interesting .
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 31, 2005 11:18:09 PM new
Fenix says, "It's incredible to me that you have a group of people entrusted by the american public that were flat out drunk with power and had complete disregard for the american people and the constitution and what sickens you is that someone actually had the gall to help expose them."
Just like the Downing Street Memo...posted it and the Repugs made fun of it....they sure like to protect and/or ignore the blatant wrong doing of their leaders.
Next one of them will be yelling..."Nixon wasn't a crook, I know because he said so !"
posted on May 31, 2005 11:54:45 PM new
Libra:"Since he has been hiding his identity for 30 years why did he come forward now? Do you think he is the real Deep Throat? He stated that he wanted to be the top gun in the FBI but when he didn't get the job he was very upset. I think this will always be a mystery and of course everyone will believe him but is he really the one...?"
He "came forward" now because he is 91 years old and in poor health....think he should wait awhile ????
It is no longer a mystery, the mystery is over, that's what the story's all about. He really is the one.
"Helen do you think it was all right for him to say that? What if he would have said that about you? Now I know Linda can fight her own battles but what he said was way off base."
Libra...After reading Logandad's posts here for over a year, it is clear to me that he always posts with credibility and knowledge of the topic history. Linda does not and therefore misjudged his reference to "Linda" as a reference to herself. Anyone familiar with the case, would know that he was referring humorously to Linda Lovelace the star of the porn movie, popular at the time from which the name "deepthroat" was acquired --- NOTHING whatsoever related to linda on this board and she was ignorant and self centered to think so. Anyone familiar with the case would also know that roundtable linda has nothing in common with the good character of the individual who has been revealed as "Deepthroat".
posted on June 1, 2005 06:36:46 AM newGoing back to all the other vile things you've said to me before? If you think you are, think twice before doing so again.
More of your threats Linda. Go complain to Vendio if it means so much to you.
Who was it that got a vacation for posting vulgar statements? It surely wasn't me.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 1, 2005 06:38:28 AM new
Helen:.. It is clear to me that
oh, but I do beg to differ. Logansdad is a wee bit smarter than that, and this was a double-edged sword, imo.
The fact that he gets out of it and Linda doesnt for the Kathy thing is really a sore discrimination on all your parts. Yes, your legs, your eyes, your foots...etc.
Logans, you cannot type anybody's name here and not mena a particular person you know! Where you been? When you address Linda, make sure its Linda_k, so we all know to whom you are referring. thankyou.
...the end.
lol
edit: fix the backslash
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 1, 2005 06:42 AM ]
posted on June 1, 2005 06:40:36 AM new
For those that have a sense of humor:
Watergate's Deep Throat got his nickname from pop culture--an X-rated movie of the same name from the early 1970s--and has survived in pop culture since:
- The 1976 movie version of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein's book "All the President's Men" stars Robert Redford as Woodward, Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein and Hal Holbrook as Deep Throat, the shadowy, cigarette-smoking source who met Woodward in dark parking garages.
- The "X-Files" features a Deep Throat character, an informant used by FBI agent Fox Mulder.
- On "The Simpsons," a send-up of "All the President's Men" puts Mr. Burns' assistant, Waylon Smithers, in the role of Deep Throat as he helps Lisa uncover voting fraud in the election of Sideshow Bob as mayor of Springfield.
- The 1999 movie "Dick" theorizes that two teenage girls (Kirsten Dunst and Michelle Williams) were actually Deep Throat, and that President Richard Nixon hired them to work in the White House to keep them quiet. Will Ferrell plays Post reporter Woodward.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 1, 2005 07:02:55 AM new "Helen:.. It is clear to me that " "oh, but I do beg to differ. Logansdad is a wee bit smarter than that, and this was a double-edged sword, imo." The fact that he gets out of it and Linda doesnt for the Kathy thing is really a sore discrimination on all your parts. Yes, your legs, your eyes, your foots...etc."
Dbl No sword was used. You are overestimating the importance of the one under who's "foots" you prostrate yourself.
posted on June 1, 2005 07:40:39 AM new
Yes, crowfarm how many times can you say "deep throat" and plug your head back to the nixon days?
real interesting.... a crime of one party breaking into anothers headquarters to bug them. oooo shaking the constitution and the american people to their core. besiged by corruption. NOT. It was a simple crime. That sh*t would get laughed at today. Maybe one party is breaking into anothers right now via the internet and they'd never even know it.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 1, 2005 08:06 AM ]
posted on June 1, 2005 07:45:02 AM new
Well Helen what logansdad posted about Linda ?, is that any difference than Linda putting the name Cathy in a thread. It sure is. Linda didn't say anything nasty. Logansdad said something that shouldn't have been said.
Crowfarm ranted and raved through out all the threads about the name Cathy. Linda only warned Logansdad once and then said nothing.
BTW logansdad you can get kicked off of vendio for less than that....
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