posted on June 2, 2005 12:47:03 PM
So did he lie then or change his mind and is lying now?
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Clinton breaks deal with prosecutor
Now says charges against him as president were false
President Bill Clinton told NBC's Brian Williams tonight charges brought against him by the House of Representatives were false, contradicting a plea bargain deal he made with Independent Counsel Robert Ray that he admit he gave false testimony under oath to a federal grand jury.
In a blistering attack on Ray's predecessor, Kenneth Starr, Clinton accused the independent counsel of persecuting innocent people, indicting them because they wouldn't lie and assaulting the Constitution.
"I was acquitted," he told Williams. "And ... the charges that the House sent to the Senate were false. So I did a bad thing. I made a bad personal mistake. I paid a big price for it. But I was acquitted because the charges were false."
There was no follow-up by Williams.
The articles of impeachment passed by the House in 1998 included the accusation that he lied under oath. Yet, Clinton admitted Jan. 19, 2001, as part of his deal with Ray, he had lied under oath while testifying about his relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
"I tried to walk a fine line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely," he said in a written statement. "But I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish that goal and that certain of my responses to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 2, 2005 02:08:01 PM
Gee, do ya thinhk some people might not like us dwelling on Watergate and the criminal activities of the Republicans ????
They think THIS old news is relevant
Guess what....I don't care what Clinton did and never will.
He didn't lie and start a war killing thousands and maiming more like bush did.
So, spread the hate, you'll never change my mind.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jun 2, 2005 02:15 PM ]
[ edited by crowfarm on Jun 2, 2005 04:21 PM ]
posted on June 2, 2005 04:02:07 PM
Lets see which is actually illegal...
Watergate.... Illegal use of government funds, Illegal campaign contributions, Illegal Wire tapping, Breaking and Entering, Falsifying documents in order to smear political oponents (By the way, anyone care to explain how you can skewer CBS over the Bush military records and yet support the Nixon admin in light of the Cannuck Memo?), sending individuals to DNC events to start violent protests to cast negative light on democrats, destruction of government records, consiracy, etc etc etc
Monicagate.... A blow job.
Now granted, I do realize that in some states, oral copulation is in fact illegal however I do not believe that this is true in the District of Columbia.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 2, 2005 04:03 PM ]
posted on June 2, 2005 05:32:10 PM
LOL fenix - I just posted a comparison between clinton and Nixon on your 'deep throat revealed' thread....
clinton acted more illegally HIMSELF than did Nixon. Doesn't matter what it was over...bj vs felony convictions...that clinton was charge and found guilty of....not Nixon.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on June 2, 2005 05:42:37 PM
Funny??? The repugs don't like filibusters but bear is sure doing a good job of one with all his hate threads....can't you "people" make up your minds ?
And, my , aren't the repugs a TAD defensive when it comes to Nixon ?
The story was simply that Deep Throat was revealed and they turned it into "Democrats are evil"
But what is SO typical is their horror at a sex act while supporting slaughter and torture in Iraq ????
posted on June 2, 2005 05:43:48 PM
Here...I'll repost it in this thread too...since you brought it up.
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Watergate in Perspective
by Peter Flaherty
With the identification of Mark Felt as "Deep Throat," it is important to consider Watergate in an historical context.
Since Watergate, the Washington Post has helped perpetuate a double standard on ethics.
Far more serious abuses took place in the Clinton administration, yet Clinton finished his term.
It is useful to compare the Nixon and Clinton scandals:
Underlying Offense.
The break-in at Democratic headquarters took place without Nixon's knowledge or approval. The participants were former U.S. government agents who had conducted similar activities, both legal an illegal, under Democratic administrations.
Mistakenly or not, they understood their task to be related to protecting our national security.
Bill Clinton had sex with a White House intern barely older than his daughter in the Oval Office. According to Lewinsky, Clinton did not know her name until the third encounter, calling her "Kiddo." Solely for his own self-gratification,
Clinton recklessly endangered our national security. Clinton talked with Lewinsky on open telephone lines. Lewinsky told 11 individuals of the relationship.
Presidential Crimes.
Clinton personally committed felonies by lying under oath in a civil deposition and to a grand jury.
Nixon faced three Articles of Impeachment which held him responsible for the acts of subordinates of which he had no advance knowledge. The Articles do not accuse him of personally committing a felony.
Presidential Lying.
One Article of Impeachment against Nixon was that he lied to the American people. Nixon was never accused of lying under oath.
Clinton lied repeatedly to the American people. He was the first President in history to be accused of lying under oath.
Invasions of Privacy.
Nixon aides went to prison for viewing the contents of a handful of FBI files.
Clinton staffers pawed through hundreds. Evidence suggests that the First Lady may have initiated and/or orchestrated file invasions. Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon got caught leaking Linda Tripp's personnel file.
Misuse of the FBI and IRS.
I believe that abuses have been far more extensive under Clinton, from the White House ordering the FBI to put out a press release accusing the innocent Billy Dale of crimes, to the IRS audits of dozens of conservative organizations. (After NLPC successfully filed suit to open the meetings of Hillary's health care task force, our attorney Kent Brown was audited. For good measure, Brown, a Civil War scholar and author, was booted off a Gettysburg advisory committee.)
[b]Assertions of Privilege[i].
Nixon's assertion of Executive Privilege led to charges of an "Imperial Presidency,"
but Clinton trumps Nixon on this one. First, Clinton asserted an attorney-client privilege to prevent government lawyers from handing over notes made in meetings with Hillary. Then Clinton fought for two years all the way to the Supreme Court (where he lost 9-0) to claim he was immune from the Paula Jones civil lawsuit.
At one point, Clinton's lawyers even claimed that as Commander-in-Chief, Clinton was on "active military duty" and could not be sued. Clinton even sought to invent a new "protective privilege" to prevent Secret Service agents from talking to Ken Starr.
Impact on the Country.
Richard Nixon's forced resignation weakened the nation while it was at war in Vietnam. The 1974 elections resulted in a Congress that cut off aid to South Vietnam, unleashing a Communist bloodbath in Southeast Asia that claimed millions of lives.
While 1974 Impeachment Articles do not accuse Nixon of any specific crime, they do accuse him of violating his oath of office. They make a general case that Nixon brought disrepute to his office and that he was morally unfit to serve.
By this standard, Clinton fares a lot worse.
Nixon-haters cite the fact that the Judiciary Committee in 1974 dropped a count of income tax fraud against Nixon as evidence that crimes of a "personal" nature by the President are not grounds for Impeachment. The charge resulted from a simple question of interpretation as to the deductibility of donating his personal papers to the government. The "tax fraud" allegation was so unfair and far-fetched that even the partisan Judiciary Democrats dropped it.
In the end, we are told that Clinton's felonies are excusable because he only "lied about sex."
Of course, the lies were in response to a sexual harassment lawsuit. If it is all right to lie about sex in a sexual harassment case, I don't think laws against sexual harassment mean much.
I don't hear much angst about that from the Washington Post.
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Peter Flaherty is president of the National Legal and Policy Center, a nonpartisan foundation promoting ethics in public life.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on June 2, 2005 07:10:08 PM
Linda - are you hoping that your formerly quoted stat of 65% of people not understanding the basic crimes of Watergate will help you mask the blatant misrepresentation of facts? The reason Nixon was not convicted was that Ford gate him a preemptive pardon.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on June 3, 2005 07:16:05 AMOne Article of Impeachment against Nixon was that he lied to the American people
Based on this, Bush and Cheney should be impeached. How many times did they lie to the American people?
Far more serious abuses took place in the Clinton administration, yet Clinton finished his term.
If Nixon felt he was innocent, then why did he RESIGN?.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
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