posted on June 17, 2005 10:05:34 AM
I heard a bit on CNN last night about a LAW some state is trying to pass where sex offenders won't be allowed into tornado/hurricane shelters. All I saw is this guy on tv saying they should fend for themselves in bad weather. Did anyone else see this? Which state is it?
posted on June 17, 2005 10:10:06 AM
It's in Tampa Florida Krafty. That one is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
A sheriff in another county there first wanted seperate shelters but has revised the prosed law to require offenders to report their status upon entering a shelter. A slightly more realistic plan.
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posted on June 17, 2005 10:11:25 AM
Tampa, Florida - Hillsborough County commissioners unanimously voted yesterday to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred
registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.
Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban. He says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.
A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the abduction and killing of Hillsborough County 13-year-old Sarah Lunde in April.
Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.
And Jacksonville officials approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.
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posted on June 17, 2005 10:17:28 AM
Thanks Fenix! I heard if they say they are a sex offender, they won't be let in. What's the purpose of doing this? Do they offend more in hurricane season or something?
posted on June 17, 2005 10:24:46 AM
I think they are afraid they'll go on a rape spree in the high school gym. That or they are just hoping that if left in the elements they'll all die. What I can't believe is that not one of the Hillsborough County Commisioners considered what is going to happen when someone denied entry into a shelter actually is killed.
That or they knew it was unconstitutional and would rather let the courts overturn it than appear to risk looking "soft on sex offenders" for actually having the balls to stand up for the law.
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posted on June 17, 2005 10:45:26 AM
"Thanks Fenix! I heard if they say they are a sex offender, they won't be let in. What's the purpose of doing this? Do they offend more in hurricane season or something?"
yea its the wind blowing up their ass that gets them all excited
"What I can't believe is that not one of the Hillsborough County Commisioners considered what is going to happen when someone denied entry into a shelter actually is killed. "
ahhh do a happy dance??
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posted on June 17, 2005 12:31:44 PM
The town/city is probably just a little more than sensitive right now. Wasn't that long ago that a child molester killed a little girl once he was finished with her. And like many towns they have a ton of sex offenders. It doesn't surpise me that they'd want to protect the children that would be inside these shelters from these predators. Not one bit.
posted on June 17, 2005 12:56:14 PM
Linda, so you think leaving them outside in a hurricane, to fend for themselves, will protect the children inside a shelter who are with their parents and other adults. I don't get it at all. (??)
posted on June 17, 2005 01:03:58 PM
KD - Child molesters have come into peoples HOMES and taken their children out...molested them...some were murdered. You under some false impression that their 'desires' would be removed during a hurricane?
And truth be told...I could care less what happens to them. I think we, as a society, need to focus on protecting our young, innocent victims FROM them....not be so worried about whether they can take care of themselves or not.
posted on June 17, 2005 01:38:33 PM
In addition something we MAY be overlooking here is that many towns/cities have laws that prohibit these convicted molesters to stay at least 1000 feet away from any area that children can normally be found. IE: parks, playgrounds, etc. So this may be part of this decision making process too. There would be NO WAY that LAW could be carried out in a shelter situation.
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posted on June 17, 2005 03:28:49 PM
Linda, so you think leaving them outside in a hurricane, to fend for themselves, will protect the children inside a shelter who are with their parents and other adults. I don't get it at all. (??)
and being a liberal idiot,you never will
the point is we WANT to leave them to fend for themselves-if they die who gives a rats ass-IT SUCKS TO BE THEM.If they werent perverts in the 1st place,they wouldnt be on the outside looking in.
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there is the LAW & the CONSTITUTION, and, Classic, as a State Trooper, I would expect you to demo more respect than that mindless shout.
As a society, we have yet to come to grips with how to treat SEX OFFENDERS after theu have served their time.
Balancing the extreme importance of protecting children against the rights of the convicted.
If they have NO rights, then this has to be codified & implemented.
But that could quickly become a slippery slope, leading to the denial of rights to other "HATED" segments of the population.
I don't think there are any easy answers on this one, and the actions of that Sherriff are just plain stupid (and most probably illegal).
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posted on June 17, 2005 03:44:48 PM
And as tax payers who said for those public shelters, who have served their time in prison and have as yet to be stripped of all civil liberties by the courts, they do have a right to enter a county shelter.
It's funy how frequently our laws are being tossed to the side by our own officials these days.
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posted on June 17, 2005 03:51:28 PM
Sounds to me like somebody's humping for easy re-election. Probably doesn't give a crap whether his actions are overturned or not, he'll be remembered as "tough" on the child molesters.
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posted on June 17, 2005 04:46:26 PM
"As a society, we have yet to come to grips with how to treat SEX OFFENDERS after theu have served their time.
Balancing the extreme importance of protecting children against the rights of the convicted.
If they have NO rights, then this has to be codified & implemented."
One of my biggest chuckles here is when the left wing wack pack screams bloody murder if a cop looks cross-eyed at a sweating Arab buying a 1 way ticket on an airplane with no luggage, yet makes tracking released sex offenders almost a religion.
posted on June 17, 2005 05:41:03 PM
"there is the LAW & the CONSTITUTION, and, Classic, as a State Trooper, I would expect you to demo more respect than that mindless shout."
yes Tom there is the law and constitution.If the sheriff is not abiding by the law he should be removed.If the law states you have to let them in,then you HAVE to let them in. However would you want your kids in a shelter filled with sexual predators??? These guys are sexual deviates who pray on little kids and are not going to be cured by going to jail.They just arrested a guy a couple of days ago with 36,000 names of youngsters on his computer with the sexual acts he commited with each of them over the last 15 years. Now I ask you again,would you like your kids to be in the same room with one of these scumbags??? I know I wouldnt,but hey thats just me-I have weird ideals.
"Sounds to me like somebody's humping for easy re-election. Probably doesn't give a crap whether his actions are overturned or not, he'll be remembered as "tough" on the child molesters."
he'll be remembered as being tough on child molesters...you make it sound like a bad thing LOL
posted on June 17, 2005 05:45:41 PM
WTF is you talking about, Squirel??
Did you even read what I posted?
There are lots of folks in this country who still respect & cherish the RULE OF LAW...THE CONSTITUTION...THE BILL OF RIGHTS...
Define "Sex Offender?"
Does PeeWee Herman get left out of the shelter because he never learned to program a VCR???
Does Hugh Grant go blowing in the wind????
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posted on June 17, 2005 06:33:57 PM
I read an article the other day where some communities are planning "sex offender free subdivisions". The home owners association is responsible for doing background checks to make sure the people they allow in are not convicted sex offenders.
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posted on June 17, 2005 07:09:48 PMwhere some communities are planning "sex offender free subdivisions". The home owners association is responsible for doing background checks to make sure the people they allow in are not convicted sex offenders.
I read something similar....and I think it's GREAT. And more and more subdivisions are being built as 'gated' communities too. Where one has to identity themselves in order to gain entrance.
That's one way families can have a little peace at letting their children go out front and play without having to worry about perverts snatching them from their front lawns.
Some homeowner associations/communities also don't allow people to put up American flags on holidays....or basketball hoops out so children can use them.
And the safety of our children is MUCH more important than 'looks' are to a community.
The only reason people are resorting to these type of 'safety measures' are because they don't feel the laws are protecting them ....they protect the rights of perverts ABOVE the safely of our children.
As I've said before, IF they'd keep these creeps locked up until they die....none of these would have become issues where people feel they need to protect themselves because our lawmakers won't.
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posted on June 17, 2005 07:14:11 PM
Well, lock away the sex offenders but who'll keep the children away from daddy's sick impulses or Uncle Bob's, and cousin Henry's or the parish priest.....more children are molested by people they KNOW.
Keep kids out of churches and away from rapists!!!!!!!!!!
posted on June 18, 2005 05:37:50 AM newyou make it sound like a bad thing LOL
That's your interpretation. I don't think being tough on them is a bad thing at all. I merely wondered if this is more politics than it is substance.
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posted on June 18, 2005 08:34:40 AM new
"Well, lock away the sex offenders but who'll keep the children away from daddy's sick impulses or Uncle Bob's, and cousin Henry"
well...thats only an issue in Alabama,Mississippi,Kentucky,Texas,Arkansas,Georgia,
West Virgina,and Tennessee.
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posted on June 18, 2005 11:16:20 AM new
posted on June 18, 2005 08:34:40 AM
"Well, lock away the sex offenders but who'll keep the children away from daddy's sick impulses or Uncle Bob's, and cousin Henry"
well...thats only an issue in Alabama,Mississippi,Kentucky,Texas,Arkansas,Georgia,
West Virgina,and Tennessee.
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But we all know that's not the case. Whether it be the above mentioned states or upscale NY or upscale CA...these sickos live everywhere....there are NO economic boundries when it comes to this crime. And as I've stated many times....a child molester is a child molester...no matter WHO they are. And we should protect our children from them by keeping these predators locked up for LIFE, then issues like shelters wouldn't be presenting a problem that has to be dealt with. They'd already be in a 'protected' environment.
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And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 18, 2005 12:23:32 PM new
BTW - I realize that the emphasis has been on Child Molesters but you guys do realize that this rule is for "sex offenders" which is a much larger group of people and sometimes is a a guy who was 19 dating a 17 year old with vengeful parents right?
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posted on June 18, 2005 01:04:09 PM new
Yes, but I'd bet those cases are a tiny minority of those who fall under that classification. Most are adults molesting children.
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And would 'sex offenders' also include rapists?
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Do we, as a society, really feel there's a reason that these child molesters just can't be locked up for life? Since it's been proven they just molest again even with therapy...even with medication...even with the laws that supposedly keep them away from children?
I say no. They are the scum of our society and should remain locked up for life or be given the death penalty when they murder their victims.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 18, 2005 02:05:53 PM new
It happened twice in the last 3 or 4 months where sex offenders in Florida have enter houses and abducted children. I think the two were killed after they raped them. Isn't about time that the states have to say when a sex offender is let out of prison.
In Wisconsin when they are let out the state puts them into housing. Before they go into the housing the people in the neighborhood have a right to refuse that person. According to me that sex offender has no right around children whether be male or female.
We also have a web site in Wisconsin when you enter your zip code you can find the sex offenders in your neighborhood. Children have to be protected and if Florida wants to make a law and ban the offenders in a gym full of children during a hurricane then let them do it.
Okay how about everyone in here that is for the sex offender let them come and live next door to you? I would be for that.
