posted on June 21, 2005 04:16:01 PM new
While Western press agencies continue to report years-old allegations of Qu'ran abuse from detainees as if they were new, the Exempt Media completely missed important corroboration from Iraq's new government that Saddam sheltered and even encouraged al-Qaeda terrorists during his reign of terror. CQ reader Jason Smith at Generation Why? notes this revelation from the Italian news portal AKI which confirms that Saddam's regime sponsored an Islamist conference and specifically invited AQ's #2 man and Zarqawi to attend:
The number two of the al-Qaeda network, Ayman al-Zawahiri, visited Iraq under a false name in September 1999 to take part in the ninth Popular Islamic Congress, former Iraqi premier Iyad Allawi has revealed to pan-Arab daily al-Hayat. In an interview, Allawi made public information discovered by the Iraqi secret service in the archives of the Saddam Hussein regime, which sheds light on the relationship between Saddam Hussein and the Islamic terrorist network. He also said that both al-Zawahiri and Jordanian militant al-Zarqawi probably entered Iraq in the same period.
"Al-Zawahiri was summoned by Izza Ibrahim Al-Douri – then deputy head of the council of the leadership of the revolution - to take part in the congress, along with some 150 other Islamic figures from 50 Muslim countries," Allawi said.
According to Allawi, important information has been gathered regarding the presence of another key terrorist figure operating in Iraq - the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
"The Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi entered Iraq secretly in the same period," Allawi affirmed, "and began to form a terrorist cell, even though the Iraqi services do not have precise information on his entry into the country," he said.
Last week, King Abdullah told a Saudi newspaper that the Jordanians knew Saddam to be sheltering Zarqawi in the last years of the Ba'athist reign of terror and demanded his extradition. Saddam refused to turn Zarqawi over to the Jordanians. Abdullah had been clear on that point; the Ba'athists had not claimed they could not reach him, but that they flatly refused to hand him over.
Last year, Stephen Hayes wrote about the Islamist conference in his book The Connection, which outlined a number of such ties between the Saddam regime and the AQ network, as well as other terrorists. Now that the new Iraqi government has possession of Saddam's old files, they have begun to corroborate Hayes' work. Far from being an enemy to the Islamists, Saddam reached out to the fanatics as an ally in order to covertly support attacks on Western nations, either directly or indirectly. The IIS records that Allawi has on Zawahiri shows that al-Douri -- currently running the ex-Ba'athist insurgency in Iraq -- knew who to contact in order to set up those connections.
Does the Exempt Media report this? Not to my knowledge. They have already set their story line on Saddam and terrorism, and they apparently have no interest in evidence that contradicts it. The media, however, stands willing to report every captured terrorist's claims of abuse as gospel truth, as well as the Amnesty International's hyperbolic rhetoric proclaiming the Gitmo detention center -- which houses illegal combatants captured in battle -- as the equivalent of the Soviet gulag. Small wonder the public continues to lose confidence in the integrity and the objectivity of American media outlets.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 21, 2005 09:17:39 PM new
This doesn't shed any more light on the issue. The 9-11 commission report indicated that they saw evidence of contact between Hussein and Al Qaeda, but NO evidence of any collaborative relationship. This report doesn't add anything to that.
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posted on June 21, 2005 10:57:56 PM new
So, Bear... are these your words or are you plagiarizing from another source? I didn't see any sources for this text that your provided, and I've seen your writing in the past, and this is not your style of phrasing.
posted on June 22, 2005 07:58:14 AM new
Rusty as in CRAWS words, everyone has a computer look it up yourself. just type "The Osama-Saddam Link Confirmed" into a search engine.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 22, 2005 08:17:10 AM new
Or you could type in the "Osama-Hussein Link NOT Confirmed
And so what if there's a link ?
After that "lame" Downing Street Memo the repugs are just flying around trying to find some tiny wispy thread that could give any weasely reason to go to war And draw attention away from the truth.
Or you could type in Osama Bin Laden-Saudi Arabia and find some REALLY REALLY good connections....
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posted on June 22, 2005 03:34:15 PM newRusty as in CRAWS words, everyone has a computer look it up yourself. just type "The Osama-Saddam Link Confirmed" into a search engine.
If you type in Iraq Reconstruction you get a link that has pictures of soldiers riding around on camels. Big deal. All you have shown, Bear, is you know how to google.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 22, 2005 08:39:06 PM new
YADA YADA YADA YADA, keep your lips flaping craw, you can fly yet. A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 23, 2005 08:16:32 AM new
You completely missed the point Bear. When you take someone elses written text and then present it as your own, you are plagiarizing which is illegal. I could care less about the link. If you steal information and do not properly document where you retrieved it from, and present it as your own, you are a thief.
Obviously, your uneducated neonazicon redneck mentality is too small to understand that.
posted on June 23, 2005 08:24:49 AM new
shagmidmod -
Oh...but there's NO double standard there, right?
It's the lefties that started this and it was A-Okay with them when their side of the aisle started it. But now you're calling bear on it?
how funny....how typical of the lefties.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 23, 2005 08:47:41 AM new
sorry to mixup my accounts, but i'm doing work on vendio with my shagmidmod account right now. shagmidmod=rustygumbo just in case this confuses the feeble minded Linda and Bear.
Linda- what the hell are you talking about a double standard? my post had absolutely nothing to do with the information Bear posted. Instead it had to do with proper documentation of who wrote it. Now, you know as well as anyone else here knows that you should either supply a link or notate the writer or source where information comes from otherwise it is plagiarism. So, I'm not sure what that has to do with liberals or neocons.
if you're just looking for a fight, find a meatgrinder and stick your hand in it.
by the way, that has to be the dumbest quote by Ann Coulter. Afghanistan is the most recent proof of that. Every Democrat in Congress approved the war in Afghanistan and I don't know one single liberal who was against it, even in my circle of leftist progressives. Funny that Linda supports a blathering idiot like Ann Coulter. Talk about supporting someone who is anti-American.
And to make my point that much more valid, we are still waiting for Osama Bin Laden, aren't we??? Linda supports a leader who doesn't spend any time finding the ringleader of the most successful terrorist organization who attacked us. Talk about anti-american.
posted on June 23, 2005 08:59:11 AM new
This isn't the first time you screwed up and posted under your other vendio id. Don't try to put that off on me.
And I said calling a rightie on this IS a double standard. Crowfarm and logansdad do it ALL the time. But I haven't seen you EVER call them on it.
Heck, maggie did it too....but she didn't even bother to post most of the written article....she just took paragraphs out of articles and used them as HER OWN. I called her on it at least three times. She laughed it off...and NONE of the lefties here asked that SHE, or the two others, be held to that same standard.
That's why I called it your double standard. If it's okay for one side to plagiarize anything....then it's okay for the other side to do the same. NO DIFFERENT RULES for different political positions. AND if YOU feel it's wrong....then CALL EVERYONE WHO DOES IT on their actions....not just bear. That was my point.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 23, 2005 09:18:47 AM new
So, Linda... are you admitting that you are living by the same double standard here? You used the left leaners for your examples, but have you checked the righties as well???
I mean, you're here defending Bear, but by your own standards you should be agreeing with me. I did point out that this was NOT a political issue whatsoever. I am pointing this out to Bear because I noticed it here in his posting. Have I ever had a beef with you sourcing information? Never. I may question biased sources, but you always (as far as I can remember back) post the source of your info. And, for your info, I have asked people on the left where they get their resources, and have asked that they put links in for it as well.
I believe my comment here was, "Now, you know as well as anyone else here knows that you should either supply a link or notate the writer or source where information comes from otherwise it is plagiarism. So, I'm not sure what that has to do with liberals or neocons."
I believe I was very clear in that statement that everybody, whether left or right should be including their sources. You know it, I know it, and most everyone else here knows it. Hell, even dbl sources their damn songs they quote from. They are educated enough to figure that out.
As I said before, you are obviously just looking for a fight, when in fact you agree with exactly what I said to begin with. And to even attack me for clarifying my identity??? I thought most people should know who I was. Just curious, but do you have a conspiracy theory as to why I would make sure to clarify that I have two accounts and I would want people to know I also go by rustygumbo? You really are delusional aren't you?
[ edited by shagmidmod on Jun 23, 2005 09:24 AM ]
posted on June 23, 2005 09:23:57 AM new
Well rustygumbo or shagmidmod who ever you are you need to see that others don't use links. Evidently you don't know posters make mistakes and omit it and yes the answer bear gave you was also one the Miss Crowfarm stated in one of her postings. I didn't see you in here questioning her.
You talk about feebleminded but here you go admitting that you posted under the wrong user ID. No name calling here by the "lefties right"
plagiarizing on this discussion board is a laugh
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posted on June 23, 2005 09:34:47 AM new
Libra- see my posting above. this so applies to you. if you actually read my posting, I stated, "sorry to mixup my accounts, but i'm doing work on vendio with my shagmidmod account right now. shagmidmod=rustygumbo just in case this confuses the feeble minded Linda and Bear."
I have not done anything in error, though Linda managed to twist my words around and make it look like an error (similar to what FOX NEWS does daily).
As I said, I am using this account right now to work on my auctions. I don't want to sign out and sign back in so that I can reply to morons like you. I am trying to be efficient in my work and play. Now that I'm done with my work, I will be leaving to go buy more goodies to list, but I'm sure you neocons will twist that around to your likings as well. Talk about making us liberals out to be conspiracy theorists.
posted on June 23, 2005 09:36:58 AM new
Thanks for you response. It just shows the kind of person you are. Evidently you can say what you want but other can't. I was just reminding you that others do it also not just him. And I am sure it will happen again so get over it. It's a discussion board not a newspaper.
You call Linda and Bear feeble minded well what then do you call yourself?
No evidently you are the one that is a completely helpless moron not knowing what user ID you are using. You have done it before so there really was no need to explain youself.
posted on June 23, 2005 10:07:22 AM new
Ha! Rusty you should know by now that when linduh and bear have no point , nothing to say...they make something up
Why does linduh think YOU have a responsibility to correct EVERY poster ?
What a stupid thing to think..
Ya, she and lalalibra LOVE to use that term "double standard" when their brain flatlines(which is often).
There ARE double standards in the RT !!!! SURPRISE !
And I'll give libra her own trite over-used advice...get over it!
Now let's all play find the link with bin Laden, Saudi Arabia, bush.........
posted on June 23, 2005 10:12:00 AM newWhen you take someone elses written text and then present it as your own, you are plagiarizing which is illegal.
My give a dam's busted.......PS rusty you're still a quart low.
Ands since you are so inept (reas brain dead) at searching for the topic:
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jun 23, 2005 10:13 AM ]
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jun 23, 2005 10:16 AM ]
posted on June 23, 2005 10:30:58 AM new
I don't see what the Big Deal is about copying and pasting words of another, if they say what you feel or believe...it's just a short cut..and in most cases their words are better written and more clearly expressed than many of us are capable of doing...now, I wouldn't take credit for anything unique to any author.. but if it is just an opinion that I happen to share.. what the hell.. I feel like I'm doing you all a favor, using their more clearly expressed thoughts...and besides, I can't help it if my thoughts have been previously posted by another with a better command of the English language.. to quote the old sage one..."get over it"... there.. are you happy now.. I gave credit to Libra..
Besides, aren't we all guilty of plagiarizing? Not one of us has had an original thought or idea here on the RT..as long as I have been reading and posting here. Maggie
