posted on July 27, 2005 08:13:29 AM
And how does this protect the sanctity of marriage??
I guesss all the underage teenagers that want to get married will be flocking to Kansas.
Husband charged for having sex with underage wife, 13
Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published July 27, 2005
LINCOLN, NEBRASKA -- A 22-year-old man faces criminal charges in Nebraska for having sex with a 13-year-old girl, although he legally married her in Kansas after she became pregnant.
The man's lawyer said the couple, with their families' support, "made a responsible decision."
Matthew Koso, 22, was charged Monday with first-degree sexual assault, punishable by up to 50 years in prison.
After the girl became pregnant, her mother gave permission in May for Koso to take her to Kansas, which allows minors to get married with parental consent. The girl is now 14 and seven months pregnant.
Nebraska Atty. Gen. Jon Bruning said the marriage is valid, thanks to the "ridiculous" Kansas law, "but it doesn't matter."
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 27, 2005 12:33 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 08:59:35 AM
The attorney gerneral was right-"it doesnt matter" he had sex BEFORE they were married-ergo-havng sex with a minor-a no no
posted on July 27, 2005 10:42:35 AM
And, while the man is locked away in prison, who is going to support the child? While I agree that a 22 year old should not mess around with a 13 year old, have you seen some 13 year olds these days? If the parents had a better handle on how their daughter dressed and acted, this may have been prevented. At least the 22 year old had the decency to marry her and wants to be a father to the child. How often do you see that anymore?
BTW, my son has a friend (and she is ONLY a friend) who is 15. He's 21. The parents encourage her to hang around with him. They think he's a good influence. While I agree that he is, I'm not real happy about it mainly because of her age. They are not having a relationship (he has a long-term girl), but what's to stop her from getting mad one day and claiming they are? She no way looks 15. I thought she was 19 or 20 when I met her until my son set me straight. Maybe this girl's parents for whatever stupid reason, encouraged the relationship. You can't figure out some parents.
posted on July 27, 2005 10:46:31 AM
well maybe the parents should support the child
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posted on July 27, 2005 10:55:38 AM
Who exactly brought charges against this guy?
If the girl and her family accepted the marriage, who brought charges against him?
humm.. my husband is 10+ years older than me.. I wonder if next time he pizzes me off, I can get him charged for robbing the cradle...HA!
On a more serious note.. and I'm sticking my neck out here.. but 13 and 14 year old today are more sexually active than we were in the day..(exception Classic)..and this was a mutual consent thing...okay chop my head off..
Logans..I just want you to know that I for one here on the RT find the ugly, crass remarks and innuendos about your sexual preference to be hateful.. the people who continue to spew this hatred are ignorant.
posted on July 27, 2005 11:29:02 AM
WHOA! Cheryl! You said ,"While I agree that a 22 year old should not mess around with a 13 year old, have you seen some 13 year olds these days? If the parents had a better handle on how their daughter dressed and acted, this may have been prevented""
NO NO NO do NOT blame the victim!
And she IS the victim. She is (or was) 13.
That's why there are laws aimed at protecting these CHILDREN. They ARE children no matter how active or inactive they are!
And in this case protecting them from awfully stupid parents.
No matter what she wore or didn't wear, HE was the adult and should've controlled the situation. He is guilty of molesting a child...no reason, no excuse!
Cheryl, that's like saying that a woman wore a short skirt so she deserved to be raped !!!
Marriage at 14 !!! STUPID! Punish this girl for the rest of her life because of a crime committed against HER?????
The baby could be adopted OR, as is sadly the usual case, the grandparents(those idiots) will raise that poor baby.
Father CAN contribute and he probably won't stay in jail long....he's "ONLY" a sexual predator afterall.
posted on July 27, 2005 11:44:19 AM
Oh Ron, that old stupid argument!
Sheesh! Sex education does not promote having sex. Just like a total lack of sex education does not stop kids from having sex!
There are laws in place because no matter how much sex kids do or don't have they are still children who need protection. They are still YOUNG and DUMB and need protection.
posted on July 27, 2005 11:45:51 AM
Maggiem the thing is, how can you KNOW that this was mutually consenting? Assuming that a 13 year old is even capable of making that kind of decision rationally.
A) He committed statutory rape (or whatever it's called in that state)
B) We have no way of knowing exactly what kind of situation lead to the marriage afterwards.
We have no way of knowing if there was a pre-existing "love" relationship before the sex or if it was plain old out-and-out rape. The marriage may have ONLY occured to prevent rape charges, and the girl was coerced into the marriage by her family who are obsessed with ideas of "what will the neighbors think?"
The bottom line is that this article doesn't give enough real details to really know what happened. If the marriage was just an attempt to subvert the punishment for breaking the law, then the judge was absolutely correct. If there was a long-term love relationship prior to all of this, then he may have over-reacted with the sentence
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posted on July 27, 2005 12:00:49 PM
Yes, sex with the underaged CHILDREN is against the law in many states....and imo, that's probably the reason for going to another state to get married.....to save his rear against prosecution.
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Logans..I just want you to know that I for one here on the RT find the ugly, crass remarks and innuendos you've made to others to be hateful.. the people, like yourself, who continue to spew this hatred are ignorant. [some words borrowed from maggie]
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 27, 2005 12:25:25 PMLogans..I just want you to know that I for one here on the RT find the ugly, crass remarks and innuendos you've made to others to be hateful.. the people, like yourself, who continue to spew this hatred are ignorant
Linda I am shaking in my boots right now. You have me so frightened - NOT
Your statement makes me laugh. ROTFLMAO
You continue to call people on this board traitors, you continue to call people un-American and unpatriotic because they do not support Bush's war and speak out against the government. But then I guess you call it a difference of opinion when you spew hate and your venom. Linda, you receive what you give.
From time I started posting on this board I was attacked and called names simply because of my sexual orientation. (No surprise). Where were you at this time. I never heard you once say anything against your fellow Republicans that attacked me. That's OK I didnt expect anyone to come to my defense at that time nor do I know. Linda get off your soapbox, you are preaching to the wrong person.
When you are attack you are the first person to complain and whine. You are the one that needs to run to others complaining you are not being treated nice. Boo Hoo. Poor Linda. Well you can stick all this up your rear end. I do not care how you feel. Go run and complain to Vendio, see if I care. You are the hyprocrite. I guess you never heard of the IGNORE FEATURE. If you don't like what I post USE IT. Oh what, are you afraid people will be talking behind your back.
Now will someone pull the batteries on the talking idiot doll, she (Linda) seems to be rambling at the mouth again.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 27, 2005 12:31:58 PM
logan - My post obviously touched a nerve with you. Good....I was expressing MY OPINION....MY personal experience with you saying vile and vulgar things to me.
You wouldn't be trying to silence my freedom of speech now would you? No....I didnt' think so.
And I'm also sorry that you can't see any difference between discussing our political differences....as opposed to making vile and vulgar statements about my personal life.....you know, things you know nothing about....but that didn't keep you for saying/posting them to me.
Yes....you do get what you give....so stop complaining and whining about it. I stated the truth....and it appears to have upset you. Too bad....it's been MY personal experience with you.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 27, 2005 12:32:36 PMIf the parents had a better handle on how their daughter dressed and acted, this may have been prevented. At least the 22 year old had the decency to marry her and wants to be a father to the child. How often do you see that anymore?
Cheryl,
I will disagree. If the parents had better sense, they would not have allowed their daughter to get married at such an early age. She is barely a teenager. What does she know about raising a child when she is still one herself? In my opinion the parents should have called the police before they allowed her to get married.
Yes it is true he had the decency to marry her, but that was only after he had sex with her. Where was his common sense before this. He should have realized he was comitting a crime. Now the "husband" is going to be called a sex offender or a child molestor for his life.
We should also put part "stupidity" on the state of Kansas. Both parties should be of legal voting age in order to get married in my opinion.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 27, 2005 12:44 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 12:36:10 PM
I'm sorry, Ming, but how many 13 year old do you know? Most these days are very wise and very mature for their age. My point is, there are plenty of 13 year old girls out who there look closer to 18. They are taller, bigger breasted, and wearing make-up and clothing that is far beyond their years than girls. They look nothing like the girls did when I was 13. If I ever went out of the house at 13 looking like some of them do, my mother would have dragged me back in by the hair to change and scrub my face. Who is blaming the victim? Assuming she was a victim. I'm blaming the parents. I know some 13 year old girls that are far more mature than some 20 something guys. My son's first really serious girlfriend, Chelsea, was 14. He was 17. Her mother and father approved (I did not) and no way in hell did she look or even act 14. They dated for three years.
Replay - You know the girl was coerced how??? I didn't read that anywhere in the article posted by Logansdad.
posted on July 27, 2005 12:41:35 PM
I see Linda is carrying one of her three keyboards around again. How long did it take her to respond
And I'm also sorry that you can't see any difference between discussing our political differences....as opposed to making vile and vulgar statements about my personal life.....you know, things you know nothing about....but that didn't keep you for saying/posting them to me.
Whatever Linda. You don't have a problem posting about things you know nothing about. That does not stop you from posting so why should it stop others postings.
Yes....you do get what you give....so stop complaining and whining about it. I stated the truth....and it appears to have upset you. Too bad....it's been MY personal experience with you.
If you think your rants are going to make me change my ways, it will not happen. I will continue to post my views as I see them.
And if you are trying to get me to go off on you so you can run and tattle to Vendio it won't happen. I am wise to your little game Linda. I am sure you must be aware of Vendio's rules since you had a well deserved vacation from this board. I am sure you know how many more strikes you have before you will be unable to spew your venom on this board.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 27, 2005 12:45 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 12:54:35 PM
I agree with you Cheryl, they want to be treated as adults. There are several that run around my apartment complex, certainly didn't dress that way when I was in school.
posted on July 27, 2005 01:17:47 PM
Cheryl, everyone knows specific children who are mature for their age. This is not true of all children THAT is why they need protection.
Who decides which child is mature enough. Do you really believe that a five year old knows what she's doing when Uncle Herbie sticks something into her ???
REALLY?
And don't say a five year old is different from a 13 year old...they're both children.
They may be physically mature but MOST are not emotionally mature.
The way a girl dresses is NOT a green light for sexual predators.
MATURE men's minds may wander but they control the situation if it's a child.
posted on July 27, 2005 01:53:11 PM
"And how does this protect the sanctity of marriage??"
Marriage has sanctity?"
I think she meant insanity...
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posted on July 27, 2005 02:17:05 PM
Well then , Ron, have at 'em.....sounds like you do have a problem. What's your lowest age? 13 or 13 months?
Remember I said MATURE men.
Pedophiles can "get off" on the ads in the Sunday papers for K-Mart kid's clothes. See NORMAL people don't find that sexually exciting.
[ edited by mingotree on Jul 27, 2005 02:18 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 02:22:17 PM
While the title of this thread is false....as they weren't married when they had sex.....we do not know if it was consensual or not. But the LAW has deemed it rape....in some states.
There's a reason laws are made to protect those who aren't mature enough emotionally to understand what life long consquences their choices will bring their way. And those LAWS have nothing to do with how phyically muture a young person is....nor how they dress.
These posts remind me of how some see rape victims.....'well look how she was dressed...she was ASKING for it'. How sad they can't understand the difference between emotional/social maturity and the early physical maturity of some young people.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
You can also ask how mature was the guy? Age, I am finding out, has very little to do with the level of maturity. I'M NOT BLAMING THE GIRL. I said I was BLAMING THE PARENTS.
Sorry for shouting, but that's the third time I've said that.
posted on July 27, 2005 02:35:50 PMThey look nothing like the girls did when I was 13. If I ever went out of the house at 13 looking like some of them do, my mother would have dragged me back in by the hair to change and scrub my face. Who is blaming the victim? Assuming she was a victim. I'm blaming the parents.
Yes, you have blamed the parents....but for WHAT exactly?
For letting their child out of the house......or for the way you're judging they allow her to dress? Because I'm sure as you're aware.....many teens will leave the house dressed one way...and do whatever they like after leaving....when parents can't be watching them....like at school....friends homes...while the parents are working.
Maybe no mother at home to 'wipe the adult makeup of them - to watch how they are dressed'.
Or maybe you're blaming the parents for not instilling values/morals in their young child?????
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
Good....I was expressing MY OPINION....MY personal experience with you saying vile and vulgar things to me.