mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 07:41:15 PM new
Didn't we have a bunch of American soldiers maimed and killed to bring a DEMOCRACY to Iraq.. shows what happens when those goddam religious freaks start invading the government...sound familiar ??
U.S. Voices Concern on Direction of Iraq Charter
By Alissa J. Rubin, Times Staff Writer
BAGHDAD — Less than three weeks before Iraq's National Assembly is to approve a new constitution, the U.S. appears increasingly concerned about the document and is vocally trying to influence its provisions on issues such as women's rights, federalism and the distribution of oil revenue.
Instead of staying behind the scenes as did his predecessor, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad has made clear in his first days on the job that he plans to personally help bring various ethnic and sectarian groups together to forge a compromise document.
"It's very important that the constitution is produced through the participation of all Iraqis. And, that all Iraqis see themselves in this picture that is emerging," Khalilzad said at his residence Tuesday. "This is important for ending and defeating the insurgency — having a political compact."
A draft of the constitution published Tuesday in the daily newspaper Al Sabah gave some indication of why the Bush administration might have reason to worry.
The document proposes an explicitly Islamic state with a strong Shiite Muslim identity and less progressive laws for women than existed under Saddam Hussein.
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:03:18 PM new
Just out of curiosity Crow - where do you stand on womens rights in Islamic nations? You felt they did not have enough in Saudi Arabia, but find it objectionable when someone attempts to bestow more upon them Iraq. Is that really a bad thing?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:09:50 PM new
fenix have you been drinking?
"Crow" did not post the OP. Are you trying to be a smart ass, you do it well.
Try in your "state" to explain "but find it objectionable when someone attempts to bestow more upon them Iraq. Is that really a bad thing? ""
What, fenix(if that's your REAL name) does "more upon them Iraq " mean exactly?
Can't you read the last paragraph or were you sooo anxious to be a smart ass you couldn't finish reading the post?
[ edited by mingotree on Jul 27, 2005 08:10 PM ]
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parklane64
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:21:03 PM new
CAW! CAW!
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The Islamofascist fig-puckers are fighting to spread their culture and religion, and to destroy ours
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:23:37 PM new
Smartest thing you ever said
FATTY!
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Linda_K
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:25:35 PM new
want to read the part of the story that we don't get from crowfarm/MG?
like the part that explains:
The draft does not represent the latest text being considered by Iraq's constitution-writing committee. Absent, for instance, is a provision strengthening the political role of women, which was recently added after extensive lobbying by secular members of the commission.
But several people close to the process said the published version appeared to be the commission's working document of a few days ago.
"It wasn't supposed to be released … but this is what we're working on," said Jawad Maliki, a Shiite Muslim member of the constitutional commission. "But in a way it's good, and in a way it's bad. Now people know what we are working on in the constitution.
"There will be additions and deletions from this," he added. "We haven't finished yet. Kurds still have their demands, the Sunnis still have their demands and we still have our demands."
Some of the rights outlined in the draft are common to many democracies, such as the right to privacy, free speech, plus freedom of religion and freedom from discrimination.
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It appears crowfarm/MG doesn't understand the difference between a DRAFT of something and a final version.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq27jul27,1,6404464.story?coll=la-headlines-world
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:30:40 PM new
Whats wrong Crow - can't address the actual so you pretend not to understand the question?
I'll try to type this slowly for you.
You complain that Saudi women do not have enough rights then turn around and complain when someone attepts to bestow more rights upon Iraqi women. Do you consider an attempt to ensure Iraqi women more rights a bad thing?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:32:03 PM new
Once again LindaTwelveK can't address the point.
Americans dying for no reason at all. Are Both you and fenix incapable of reading the last paragraph of the OP or just to dumb to comprehend it.
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:35:42 PM new
The document PROPOSES an explicitly Islamic state with a strong Shiite Muslim identity and
LESS
PROGRESSIVE laws for women
than
existed
under
Saddam Hussein.
So sorry you can't get the big words fenix. Do you know what LESS THAN means?
I didn't think so
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Linda_K
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:35:56 PM new
CAW.....CAW......still won't address honest questions put to you....you'd much rather spend your time posting insulting others....rather than answering questions.
CAW on crowfarm
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:37:28 PM new
Now fenix explain what language this is...
"to bestow more upon them Iraq. "
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maggiemuggins
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:38:25 PM new
Fatty???????????!!!!!!!!!!
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:38:44 PM new
Apparently you are the one that cannot comprehend the statement Crow since it states that the proposed constitution which we are encouraging changes is currently less progressive in terms of womens rights than what previously existed.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:39:57 PM new
Twelve, want an answer....?
Address the poster.
I see you have to parrot Parklane to post your most intelligent post.
YOU are the one NOT addressing the issue.
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:40:26 PM new
I don't know Crow - probably the same language where just to dumb to is correct phrasing.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:43:54 PM new
You use a strange language similar to English fenix but I think you finally got it!
Yes, the NEW one is LESS progressive than Hussein's ....YEEAHH! You finally understood that Americans are dying so the Iraqi's can REGRESS.
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:44:02 PM new
Crow - are you aware progression is a good thing and that less progressive is not.
Progression:
* favoring or promoting progress; "progressive schools"
* favoring or promoting reform (often by government action)
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:45:21 PM new
fenix, you HAVE been drinking.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:46:27 PM new
Now..I'm bloody confused!
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:48:39 PM new
Maggie you are way less confused than fatheadfenix
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classicrock000
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:48:41 PM new
ahhhh what else is new?????
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:49:06 PM new
Crow - Saddam may have been a son of a b*tch but he was also a son of a b*tch that did not pay a great deal of attention to religious laws when creating political laws. Under his regiem women could work and drive, did not have to be in the company of a male family member or employee when in public, etc.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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Linda_K
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:49:28 PM new
crowfarm/MG doesn't appear to have understood much of anything from her own article.
Of course the US would be concerned about women being given equal rights....and the whole
DRAFT, proposal is still being worked out.
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The article also states
However, in a victory for Khuzai and other secular members of the committee, the commission has reinstated a requirement, contained in the temporary law now governing the country, that at least 25% of the National Assembly's members be female.
Khalilzad has expressed strong views on the importance of preserving women's rights.
"In our view … equality before the law for Iraqi citizens is very important," he said Monday. "A society cannot achieve all its potential if it does things that prevent … half of its population to make the fullest contribution that it can."
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:51:18 PM new
fatheadfenix , THAT'S the POINT! You dunderhead the article said that ! Sheesh!
It said the new proposed laws are worse than Hussein's ....get it????
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fenix03
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:53:39 PM new
Yes - but you seemed to be upset that we were trying to influence in order to reverse that decision. Was I wrong in that observation?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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maggiemuggins
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:56:34 PM new
Okay, you've all given me that nervous eye tic again.. time for bed.. g'nite..
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classicrock000
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:57:56 PM new
"fenix have you been drinking?
"Crow" did not post the OP. Are you trying to be a smart ass, you do it well"
"Smartest thing you ever said
FATTY!"
" fatheadfenix , THAT'S the POINT! You dunderhead the article said that ! Sheesh!"
I dont know where all you people get the idea this is crow.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 08:58:09 PM new
Yes, fenix, you were wrong in that observation since I never said anything like that.
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mingotree
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posted on July 27, 2005 09:01:11 PM new
classic would you ever like to address a post with an intelligent remark or just shoot off stupid one liners and insults?
Want to believe I'm "crow"? Go right ahead
But try to get on with your life somehow.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on July 27, 2005 09:01:37 PM new
Hey Classy, I think I've been bitten by a brown recluse..ouchie...
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