posted on October 23, 2005 05:15:22 PM new
Here in Washington we are getting ready to vote on an intitiative to place a ban on indoor smoking which would include almost everywhere except your car or home.
I don't smoke, but am against this as I do believe it should be the owner of the business that decides what happens in his place of business.
I am curious how you feel about this Near and others.
I think we are going to far on somethings and not far enough on others.
posted on October 23, 2005 05:41:45 PM new
we've had a no smoking ban in public buildings and resturants for about 3 or 4 years at least,maybe longer.In fact in N.Y. they banned smoking in the malls for a good 15 years.I think its a great idea,who the hell wants to breath in someone elses smoke while you're eating?? Its a dirty,filthy habit,noT to mention its extremely unhealthy to only to yourself but to those around you.If people cant go into a restruant without having a damn cigarette,tell these pansy ass's to get over it.
posted on October 23, 2005 05:58:06 PM new
I think a ban on smoking should be up to the business owners but if they want to make it a blanket ban on all public city or state government buildings then that would be ok with me. On making it illegal to smoke anyplace other than in your car or home, i think that's stretching it too far. It should be okay to smoke outside of buildings, in a park or anywhere outside that is a certain distance from any public building.
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Maggie, i think they should just have a ban on lighting your farts in public, even though it's one of the funniest things i've ever seen. Maybe just in comedy clubs, it should be ok.
posted on October 23, 2005 06:16:15 PM new
Annoys the hell out of me. I smoke. I pay a load of taxes for that privledge as well. As far as I am concerned if the state is going add taxes the exceed the actual price of the product then they are endorsing the damn product and should not then have the right to tell me that I can't do it. They certainly should not be allowed to tell business owners what they can and can't allow. If a non smoker does not want to eat in a smoking restaraunt, to use Classics words... tell them to take their pansy ass down the street to another one.
Same with bars - if the waitresses don't want to work in a smoking enviroment...go elsewhere you spoiled little brats. Who the hell ever heard of servers dictating customer behavior?
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posted on October 23, 2005 06:38:29 PM new
Pi that was a little exaggeration on the initiative, there are places people can smoke, but all would be outside or in your private car or home. Entrances to buildings will be affected also.
Places of employment would be included.
Fenix doesn't CA already have a strict no smoking policy?
posted on October 23, 2005 06:48:19 PM new
Seattle has already banned lap dancing in topless clubs, thought that would have stopped all the indoor smoke...
I gave my liberal neighbors son a book for his birthday. He went crazy trying to find where to put the batteries.
posted on October 23, 2005 07:09:08 PM new
Well, i guess i'll be canceling my trip to Seattle next week. Heck, all there is to do in Seattle is to go get lap dances at the strip clubs. Well.....that and to go get an eight dollar cup of coffee at Starbucks and if you can't smoke a cig with your eight dollar cup of coffee then what good is it?
posted on October 23, 2005 07:19:17 PM new
What is wrong with FARTING?
In some cultures,belching,burping and farting after a good meal are just ways to thank the hostess how much you enjoy it.
I dont smoke,as I never figure how to inhale and someone told me I hold the cigarette like a truckdriver!!
But I do secretly admire a smoker who does it in good taste,in fact I dont even mind inhaling the smoke !!
So definitely let the smokers smoke in public,just like we let everyone FART in public!!
posted on October 23, 2005 08:03:53 PM new
Ron - Yes - California does have a no indoor smoking ban - they even have a no smoking in the vacinity of government buildings ban. They added restauraunts and bars a couple years ago (had originally been exempted) because of a lobby on behalf of waitpersons working in the enviroments.
Hwa- It's all about the initial way they mount the pole - then they use the leg that is wrapped around it. The reason men can't figure it out is they are thinking about using the arms when women know that it's about the much stronger leg muscles.
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posted on October 23, 2005 10:27:05 PM new
Restricting or not allowing smoking in anyones privately owned business, by our government on any level, is totally against what America is all about, imo.
This is just more big brother controlling our personal actions - taking away personal freedoms.
And if this passes in WA state, Ron....it will soon follow in CA's footsteps, where the local government has and continue to ban smoking OUTSIDE, in any part of their cities/towns now. Los Gatos was one of the first in our old area to ban it and others are following in their footsteps.
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posted on October 24, 2005 05:27:24 AM new
"If a non smoker does not want to eat in a smoking restaraunt, to use Classics words... tell them to take their pansy ass down the street to another one."
Sorry Fenix,but you missread my quote..."If people cant go into a resturant without having a damn cigarette,tell these pansy ass's to get over it." I was talking about the people who had to have a cigarette in a resturant.What I meant was if you cant wait to go outside after eating to have a cigarette you're a pansy ass.
I dont think smoking should be allowed inside in public buildings for none other then health reasons.And yes,I am smoker-but ya know what? I deal with it! I dont understand what the big deal is about waiting unitl you're finished eating to go outside and have a cigarette.When the wife and I go to the mall,we usually go our seperate ways as we like to look in different stores.When I feel like having a cigarette,I just head for the nearest exit and have one there,believe me,its not a big deal.My wife is a non smoker,and she really hates it when I do smoke.We had this one expierence last summer.We took a ride down to the Poconos in Pa as we do every year.We ate out in this resturant,that had an outdoor veranda.I didnt realize it,but they allow smoking in resturants in Pa.I saw this big ashtray on our table and "classics" eyes lite up.My wife says "dont EVEN think about it" LOL.
Now to the absurd.I took my son to Yankee Stadium a couple of years ago.It was a hot and humid night,and I just felt like sitting in the upper deck taking in the breeze.
Yankee Stadium has a no smoking policy.I figured well if Im up in the third deck with no roof above me whats it going to hurt if I have a cigarette? About the third inning,I light up, and low and behold it wasnt 60 seconds a usher comes running down telling me,I gotta put out the cigarette.I said but we're in the third deck,whos this going to bother? He just said there was no smoking anywhere in Yankee Stadium.Okay, I can live with that.So when the "7th inning stretch" comes,I take a trip to the mens room.I walk in the mens room and theres about 20 people smoking their brains out.The smoke was so thick I needed radar to find the urinal-now I ask you,whats wrong with this picture??
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posted on October 24, 2005 06:56:06 AM new
::I dont understand what the big deal is about waiting unitl you're finished eating to go outside and have a cigarette.::
And I don't see why, when there has long been a non smoking section that non smokers should continue to #*!@ and attempt to control the behaviors of others. It's a matter of "why can't you" it is a matter of "Why should I have to?"
::When the wife and I go to the mall,we usually go our seperate ways as we like to look in different stores.When I feel like having a cigarette,I just head for the nearest exit and have one there,believe me,its not a big deal.::
OK - now the mall thing I will say is understandable. Excessive cigarette smoke can get into the new merchandise and so on and so forth. I actually don't mind that rule. I mind not being able to have a smoke in a bar. That just flat out annoys me.
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posted on October 24, 2005 07:06:45 AM new
The bathroom experience classic describes reminds me of the areas at some airports where they have set aside special smoking areas/rooms where the addicted can get a fix.
The vents almost never work and you don't even need to lightup....just inhale.
But as far as resturants go....they would self-regulate. If they had enough customers who wanted to enjoy a cig after dinner or in a bar with a drink....their business would either fail or grow according to the desires of those who choose their establishment BECAUSE they're either smoke free or smoking is allowed.
We don't need government regulating even more of our lives.
posted on October 24, 2005 07:17:58 AM newi believe there is someone that posts here that can explain that to you.....now if i could only remember her name.
ROFL....well when you do...just type it and she'll magically appear with 15 minutes.
Talk about antognism.....LOL You're a bad, bad boy.
posted on October 24, 2005 07:19:02 AM new
All smoking inside buildings is banned in my area. In addition to that, an effort was made to ban smoking inside homes and apartments but when it became an international topic of ridicule, the proposed legislation was dropped.
I know of at least one school that bans smoking in the parking lot or inside a car in the parking lot. That restriction serves to discourage smoking and loitering outside the school.
After you've seen someone die of lung cancer caused by smoke, you might understand such restrictions. Smokers certainly have the right to kill themselves with smoke but they should not endanger the health of others.
posted on October 24, 2005 07:26:14 AM new
I thought you were going grocery shopping helen.
If you're standing next to someone outside and they fart....you would most likely move away from them. Do the same if outside smoking bothers you.
And on lung cancer....there are many who die from it who have never had a cigarette in their life. The issue of harm from 'second-hand smoking' is also a very debatable issue. Many have given their proof it doesn't hurt those nearby...and it will also be argued.
Shoot, people who think they are improving their health by jogging....and who run along roads near cars/trucks are inhaling more exhaust fumes than what comes from a million cigarettes. Get real.
posted on October 24, 2005 08:21:32 AM new
Ron, I didn't know it was on this coming Nov ballot!
I believe its up to the owners of the restaraunts and bars, to either have a 'smoking section' or not.
Someone told me this about Boulder CO, not sure it true: you cannot smoke ANYWHERE, and if your in your car, you have to roll your windows up in your vehicle if you are smoking.
In addition to that, an effort was made to ban smoking inside homes and apartments but when it became an international topic of ridicule, the proposed legislation was dropped
Helen ya think? That is going way over the line. Telling you what you can do in your home? That you OWN??
If smoking is banned in bars, there is always the Indian tribal casinos, they do NOT have to go by any iniative from the surrounding counties, cities, or state. They have their own law, and I am pretty sure they will always allow smoking. Probably up until they ban the sale of cigarrettes
posted on October 24, 2005 08:25:59 AM new
OH, and I will vote against this.
Ron, I am confused about I-330 and its 'counter part' Is that the one that is putting a cap on lawsuits against medical malpractise? That if something truley happened to you by fault of dr or hospital, you would only get so much, and its not going to be enough, if it disables you from working??? Man those damn commercials for it, for and against it are confusing!!
posted on October 24, 2005 11:48:26 AM new
I'm a smoker but I don't get too worked up over the indoor smoking bans. I don't hang in bars much anymore (not that I did anyway but now I will almost never go) and I don't bother with pool halls and the like because there are just some things that don't seem right without a cig. Drinking and playing pool are two of them. I've also known plenty of "non-smokers" who will smoke the occasional cig when drinking so I do think that bar owners and other recreational businesses ought to be able to decide what they will or won't allow in their place of business. But since thats not the case, I simply choose to stay away from those places.
I agree with smoking bans in office buildings and such and have no problem going outside should I decide to smoke during the day. In fact, my wife and I also smoke outside at home. If anything, smoking outside leads to smoking less cigarettes which saves big bucks these days.
I understand those who do not like the smell but what really gets annoying is the mindset that produces attitudes about legislating "better health". Like people who think the smoking bans and the incredibly high taxes are for my own benefit - to induce me to quit. There are a lot of things that will kill you in this world and smoking always gets singled out. "But your second hand smoke can harm me!!" they say. Yeah, maybe. But that guy who got wasted at Joe's Pub and then drove up the sidewalk killing ten people harmed someone too. So lets ban public consumption of alchol. The 420 pound guy sitting there with the four Big Macs and two dozen Krispy Kremes is certainly harming himself (not to mention putting strains on an already over-burdened health care system - which impacts me in many ways) so lets tax the hell outta fast food. Point is, legislating "good health" never works so lets just call a spade a spade. People are interested in their own personal space and if you're invading that space, they want you to pay. Of course, I have no problem staying the hell outta your space. I won't come to your home, sit in your car, get an office next to you at work, etc. But should we collide in public, things you find offensive don't particulary interest me.
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