posted on October 28, 2005 10:03:34 AM new
They had to have one fall guy out of this - the Dems spent 2 YEARS on this idiocy - they had to have something to show for the millions they spent on this witchhunt.
Dumbest freakin' thing I've seen. Why not put the money to good use.
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posted on October 28, 2005 10:10:24 AM new
DUH, I guess SOME people don't think an act of treason by some of the highest officials in our country is really serious. What low or nonexistant morals!
"Dumbest freakin' thing I've seen. Why not put the money to good use. "
DUH! Like checking out someone's private sex life...OOOOH! That really help our national security concerns with the time and money wasted when the REPUBLICANS were on a witch hunt
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Let's not forget Delay and Frist and their little problems
posted on October 28, 2005 10:12:03 AM new
He wasn't indicted for treason you idiot. He has resigned his position, from what I am hearing breaking now on Fox News.
posted on October 28, 2005 10:18:10 AM new
this goes well beyond outing a CIA agent. it goes as far as the VP and the President and their reasons for going to war in Iraq. This Administration has absolutely no ethics, and this is just the tip of the iceburg.
Just because Libby resigned, doesn't make it ok. Talk about a shallow (if not completely dried up) response.
This is why discussing politics with neocons is like clapping with one hand.
posted on October 28, 2005 10:22:18 AM new
Yes, Rusty, the lies go on and on and back and back but it does get too complicated for SOME so it's best to give "sound bites".
You know the administration will weasel out of it somehow but is nice to know they at least have to do damage control.....and controlling indictments is a 24 hour a day job for the Republicans
posted on October 28, 2005 10:35:19 AM new
what is most disturbing are people like Caroline, Linda, etc. who have disregard for 1) The Law. 2) Accountability. 3) Ethics.
All I have ever asked for is that our leaders follow the law and ethics, and are held accountable when they do something wrong. I don't care if they are a Dem, a Republican, an Independent, etc.
And, to put out any of the neocon obvious responses... Personally, I could have cared less that Clinton got a BJ in the oval office. That is between Clinton, Monica, and the Clinton family. When Clinton lied under oath, that became a whole different matter all together.
[ edited by rustygumbo on Oct 28, 2005 10:38 AM ]
posted on October 28, 2005 10:38:07 AM new
Another significant aspect of this investigation is that it will continue, possibly shedding more light on how intelligence was twisted which led us into war.
posted on October 28, 2005 10:51:22 AM new
And all you demoncrats had Rove tried & convicted for the leak..........
But once again all of you assume an indictment equates to guilt.....
So much for being innocent until proved guilty.
Oh and Helen even your demongogs in the demoncratric party agreed with the intelligence provided by the clinton era CIA as to the validity of the info into the dangers of Sadaam.
I gave my liberal neighbors son a book for his birthday. He went crazy trying to find where to put the batteries.
posted on October 28, 2005 10:51:42 AM new
Caroline - how is it stupid that someone that repeatedly lied to a grand jury was indicted. this was not a "Democratic Conspiracy" this was begun by the CIA.
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posted on October 28, 2005 10:59:27 AM new
"Really would be a problem if she had been undercover in the field, instead of being inactice and riding a desk in Langley.."
First, what is inactice? Second, that has to be the second lamest response yet. You neocons are really proving your worth today.
posted on October 28, 2005 11:16:23 AM new "Really would be a problem if she had been undercover in the field, instead of being inactice and riding a desk in Langley.."
The truth is that she was the MOST covert undercover CIA agent...one that is not officially aligned with any agency... And because of her unofficial status, she was extremely vulnerable. She and all the people that she worked with were endangered by the leak and National Security was compromised.
posted on October 28, 2005 11:22:01 AM new
Exactly Helen. But Bear seems to think CIA pencil pushers are easy targets for the Bushies and their identity doesn't matter.
posted on October 28, 2005 11:25:53 AM newDumbest freakin' thing I've seen. Why not put the money to good use.
That is what I keep saying about the Iraq war.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on October 28, 2005 11:32:13 AM new
Oh Lawd Almighty! Holding my side laughing!
Get this !:
""If that were the real issue, her husband should be charged as he was the one who blabbed to the whole world she was a CIA agent. ""
JOE WILSON OUTED HIS OWN WIFE ???
OK, Bear, with this "valuable" information you should go right to the grand jury and set them straight I'm sure they'll appreciate your wisdom
No, Bear, it wasn't Joe but I think I know who. It was Chelsea Clinton who was mad at Valerie because she used a knife on Col. Mustard in the library. And Little Red Riding Hood, who did/didn't have sex with Bill, was really Valerie's secret identity and with Snow White (another covert operative) Plame outed HERSELF with no help from the White House at all.
posted on October 28, 2005 11:35:00 AM newwhat is most disturbing are people like Caroline, Linda, etc. who have disregard for 1) The Law. 2) Accountability. 3) Ethics.
Couldn't have said it any better Rusty. People were so upset about the Enron scandal and how the employees lost all their savings. Ethics - or the lack of them - was the reason for the scandal. This is the same thing except without the financial impact.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on October 28, 2005 11:40:58 AM new
[i]But once again all of you assume an indictment equates to guilt.....
So much for being innocent until proved guilty.[/i]
If it is OK for the government to have people locked up in Guantanamo for being part of the 9/11 conspiracy without actually having and proof then I guess it makes it right.
First, what is inactice?
Rusty, don't you know Bear is trying to write a language for Canada. He is calling the language Canadian. Inactice must be one of the new words for the Canadian language.
I'm sure they'll appreciate your wisdom
Perhaps Bear can talk to the grand jury in Canadian. It might be a language they understand. I know Bear is fluent in it.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on October 28, 2005 11:43:31 AM new
Oh, but we must remember, Clinton lied under oath. That was appauling. That was horrible. That was immoral. But, when it happens to one of their guys, it's suddenly a witch hunt? LOL! What a joke.
Clinton's little liason with Monica did a lot less to harm this country than outing a CIA agent could have done.
posted on October 28, 2005 11:54:48 AM new
Right Cheryl. But it's the reason behind why she was outed that's so interesting. It could open up another can of worms regarding the Iraq war.
posted on October 28, 2005 12:58:13 PM newYep, good old fashion neocon playbook tells it like this...
And you dont think the democrats do the same thing rusty? Wasn't whitewater and all that other stuff a 'witch-hunt', too? I seem to remember that phrase thrown around alot back then. You're either not old enough to remember, or wasnt paying attention if you think its just neocon playbook,imo.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Oct 28, 2005 12:59 PM ]
posted on October 28, 2005 12:59:02 PM new
Ron - if you watched the press conference with the prosecutor (BTW - that press conference should have least put him in the find "Find more about this guy" list for Supreme Court - smart, quick thinker, great speaker)you know wh no treason.
I think they thing you have to ask is why, if nothing were done wrong and there was nothing to hide in his actions, Libby told such a string of blatant lies and misdirection to the grand jury. Certainly the Clinton fiasco should have taught these guys something.
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posted on October 28, 2005 01:23:06 PM new
dbl- sure some of those are part of the Democratic playbook, but you should also note my previous comments, "And, to put out any of the neocon obvious responses... Personally, I could have cared less that Clinton got a BJ in the oval office. That is between Clinton, Monica, and the Clinton family. When Clinton lied under oath, that became a whole different matter all together."
I believe GW ran his campaign under the "I will restore honor and integrity to the White House" mantra didn't he??? That and "I'm a uniter, not a divider". ROFLMAO!!!
posted on October 28, 2005 02:14:31 PM new
It as a long conference so I am sure it won't be replayed but the prosecuter was great. He was able to break complex legal issues into very simple to understand senarios. As far as the Treason charges, he said that the statute that would have applied is one that prosecuters are hestitant to use. It is poorly defined and depending on how it is used could endup redefining the law in a direction prosecuters don't seem to think it should be taken.
I think that if Libby made the statements to the grand jury that were quoted today he should be convincted of stupidity, arrogance and ignorance of history above and beyond reason. After, not just Clinton but even Martha Stewart, you have to know that blatant lies are not going to fly. Now the question is.. was he simply stupid in continuing to tell these lies or did he pick the lesser of two evils/take the bullet by going with lies and perjury rather than tell the real story. Basically, I think he's ether a complete idiot, or a martyr that chose to fall upon his sword to save his boss.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Oct 28, 2005 02:16 PM ]
posted on October 28, 2005 03:11:20 PM new
What don't you understand about being an inactive undercover agent. It means you are in the field undercover. In actuallity Plame never had an assignment outside the USA. And since the CIA is not authorized to operate within the USA she could never have been undercover
Exploding Liberal Myths 10: The Plame Name Game
Written by Joe Mariani
Thursday, July 14, 2005
Once again, the liberal media are trying to ramp up hysteria over the “outing” of Ambassador Joe Wilson’s wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame. The problem with their frenzy is that there’s no substance to the charge, once all the angry flailing and faux outrage are done with.
Liberals are sacrificing what little credibility they have left with the American people in their desperate attempt to destroy the Bush administration at all cost. To that end, they have continually accused President Bush’s advisor Karl Rove of giving Plame’s name to the media in order to punish Wilson, after Wilson investigated reports of Saddam’s attempt to buy African uranium and lied about his findings.
Wilson filed a disappointingly neutral report upon his return, but published an editorial stating unequivocally that the British-backed claim was absolutely untrue--and that President Bush was using it anyway, to create a reason to attack Saddam. But, in his 2004 book, Wilson revealed that “It was Saddam Hussein’s information minister, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, often referred to in the Western press as ‘Baghdad Bob,’ who approached an official of the African nation of Niger in 1999 to discuss trade--an overture the official saw as a possible effort to buy uranium.” So the uranium buy attempt actually did happen, and Wilson knew about it, but lied about it to try and prevent the liberation of Iraq for political purposes.
In the liberal version of events, Karl Rove--a consummately clever political operator by all accounts, except in this story--revealed Plame’s role as a covert agent for the CIA out of sheer vindictiveness. I don’t know how that makes any sense, or what end it was supposed to achieve, but somehow it seems perfectly reasonable to liberals that he would do this. Rove did, in fact, mention that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA to Time reporter Matt Cooper, but never indicated that she had once been a spy. Cooper was not the writer who published her identity--that was columnist Robert Novak. The problem is that in order to prove Rove did anything illegal, an illegal act has to have taken place.
Knowingly revealing the identity of a covert agent is illegal under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. If that’s what Rove or anyone else did, he ought to be hung out for the crows. (I wonder whether liberals will wail about such a violation of the Geneva Conventions, as they do when terrorists get too much or too little air-conditioning.) In order for Rove (or whoever the source was) to have broken the law, he would have to know and reveal that Plame was a covert operative for the CIA. The problem is that she wasn’t one anymore.
Apparently, Valerie Plame ceased to be a covert agent when her cover was blown years earlier. The CIA believed that Aldrich Ames (CIA agent/KGB spy/traitor) revealed her role, along with many other operatives, to the KGB before his arrest in 1994. Plame’s former existence as a secret agent became little more than cocktail party chatter with which to thrill the uninitiated. Since her identity was not classified, not secret, and she had not been assigned to duty outside the United States in the last five years, revealing her mundane desk job with the CIA was simply not a crime. After all, lots of people work for the CIA.
What no one talks about is the reason Wilson was picked to go to Niger--the question that originally nagged Novak. In fact, whoever did uncover Plame’s involvement in her husband’s selection did the country a favor. Plame wanted Wilson to investigate the British claim because of Wilson’s vocal antipathy to President Bush and his staunch opposition to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. He was sent not to gather evidence and form a conclusion, but because his conclusion was foreordained. Whoever sent him was attempting to exert an undue influence over America’s foreign policy by sending someone who would ignore evidence contrary to his opinion. Do we really want former secret agents playing political games to determine the outcomes of investigations before they’re even begun--investigations the outcomes of which may determine the nation’s course in wartime?
Once again, liberals and their pet Democrats have chosen the wrong hill to die on. While ignoring the real problem we narrowly avoided, they try to whip us into an attack on someone who, even if his accusations are true, committed no crime.
I gave my liberal neighbors son a book for his birthday. He went crazy trying to find where to put the batteries.
Caroline 