posted on November 1, 2005 05:39:05 PM
Bill has officially lost his mind.
They were discussing the case of a 13 year old girl that was charges with felony sex abuse for having sex with her 12 year old boyfriend. Now it is perfect legal in the same state for two 16 year olds to have sex but for someone younger it is a FELONY? How the hell do brand someone with a lifetime as a criminal sex offender becasue they had sex with their boyfriend when they were 13?
Then he goes on to say that he hopes the child (yes, she got pregnant and had a child) is being well cared for. Well how well do you think mom is going to be able to care for her when on her very first job aplication, and her college application she is a felony sex offender?
Good lord. Welcome to the wonderful world of drastic and kneejerk overreaction.
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posted on November 1, 2005 07:15:46 PMDo the crime and do the time.
Who? The girl, or her parents?
Oreilly is an idiot, plain and simple. His success is proof positive that scum floats.
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posted on November 1, 2005 09:23:30 PM
Ron - the mother is not charged with anything. The 13 year old girl is the one being charged as a felony sex offender. You cannot honestly believe that 10 years from now you think that she should be forbidden to open her door on Halloween or take her child out trick or treating or that if she goes out of her home and police stop by that she should have a large red tag telling everyone that a sex offender lives in this house because when she was 13 years old she had sex with her boyfriend?
Do you honestly believe that a 13 year old should be charged with a felony for doing something will be completely legal when she is 16?
Honestly?
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posted on November 2, 2005 05:57:28 AM
I thought you people were for law and order?
What is this, selective laws you want to follow? Just proves my point people didn't really care about Libby breaking any laws they just want back at President Bush.
At 13 she should not of been having sex, if the law says she will be charged with a felony, then that is the law.
The law is the law, that I believe. Don't like them, seek change.
posted on November 2, 2005 06:21:28 AM
Ron - You are either nuts or you are full sh*t and you don't believe a thing you just said because I honestly don't believe that you think 13 year olds having sex should be considered felony sex abuse or that any child should be labeled for life as a sex offender for committing an act that their own state law says they are not legally capable of consenting to.
If a 13 year old cannot legally consent to having sex with an 18 year old, how can you hold them legally culpable for a felony when they do it with a 12 or 13 year old?
And BTW - This does not have a damn thing to do with Libby - This is about an asinine law. The only way it is comparable to Libby is if you believe that lying to a grand jury should not be illegal. That's not what you are saying is it?
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posted on November 2, 2005 06:25:49 AM Just proves my point people didn't really care about Libby breaking any laws they just want back at President Bush...
Amen to that, Ron. And they dont give a flying fig about valerie plame or the CIA either thats for sure! It's all political side-stepping.
posted on November 2, 2005 06:42:40 AM
It's the law, what part of that don't you understand?
Your personal attacks are unfounded and I would of thought beneath you.
I have nothing further to discuss on this topic, you obviously are upset because you have shown that the law actually means nothing to you. Just getting back at President Bush.
posted on November 2, 2005 06:52:34 AM
Ron - Do you think it's a good law? That is makes sense and serves public interest and safety? Do you think that it is a logical law considering that there is another law that states that the same 13 year old is incapable on consenting to sex with an adult? Do you believe that sex between people of like ages should be subject to criminal law?
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posted on November 2, 2005 06:59:56 AM
Does it matter what he thinks? It IS the law as it stands. You cant say, I'm going to uphold this law here because it suits me; but not here because I dont like it. If you want the law changed fenix, why are badgering Ron about it? I thought his point was pretty clear.
posted on November 2, 2005 07:40:09 AM
Dbl - is there some reason you think Ron is unable to answer the questions for himself? Do you think he might be to weak or daff to answer himself? Is there some kind of rule that states that we are not allowed to discuss the logic of a law?
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posted on November 2, 2005 08:13:57 AMDo you think he might be to weak or daff to answer...
He did give you an answer: "It's the law, what part of that don't you understand?
It seems you are the one who thinks him daft, though. That as if somehow if you keep asking the questions over and over that will change his mind or his opinion on the subject.
As as to your question of rules: I dont own or operate this website, and neither do you as far as I know - so if I cant add my opinion, YOUR tactics for 'discussion' are as about daffy as stretching taffy here.
If you do want to play by my rules exclusively though,you can visit my blog at www.lullabybabie.com and submit your comments to the latest entry: How I sold my soul for a pork loin sandwich.
posted on November 2, 2005 08:24:39 AM
Ron's argument is shallow because he knows, just as the rest of know that some laws, even though they are still on the books are never enforced. Case in point... in Portland, where Ron and I work, it is illegal for a vehicle taller than 6 feet high to park within 50 feet of a corner. Is it enforced? No, though it should be because I've seen several accidents and close calls because of some idiot who parked their Excursion on the corner so that nobody can see around it. Ron, are you gonna call Parking Services about non-enforcement? Not likely. How about all of those bicyclists who break the law every 10 feet they peddle? It is selective enforcement.
And comparing a 13 year old girl (a minor) with an adult, who is an attorney, who studied the law, worked in the White House, but may have broke the law by obstructing justice are two different things, and you know it. Using it as an argument that people are after Bush??? Come on now. That has to be the worst argument I have witnessed you give. Pretty childish. I think you could do better than that.
There should be an appeal on this case, because the punishment doesn't fit the crime. 13 year olds have killed people, and are off the hook when they become an adult. A 13 year old having sex should be punished if the law allows, but requiring them to be a registered sex offender??? that should be reserved for those who commit serious sex crimes not involving a consensual partner. This is nothing more than adolescent experimentation.
posted on November 2, 2005 08:52:25 AM
Dbl - if you cannot understand the difference between asking if someone believes that a law is logical/constitutional/legal as opposed to asking if it should be enforced then you might want to concern yourself with activities other than attempting to police my activity.
Is there any particular reason that you think that the logic and ramifications of such a law should not be discussed that you seem so eager for me to drop it?
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posted on November 2, 2005 09:04:55 AM
There are many archaic sex laws on the books! That doesn't mean they should be enforced.
In Washington State it is illegal to have sex with a virgin (even on the wedding night). My favorite is the Minnesota law that prohibits men from having sex with DEAD FISH!! LOL
ED: OOPS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH DEAD FISH - NOT WITH LIVE ONES! LOL
"As recently as 1990, these states had laws against the use of dildos: Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Washington D.C.
In Minnesota, it is illegal for any man to have sexual intercourse with a live fish.
In Detroit, couples are not allowed to make love in an automobile unless the act takes place while the vehicle is parked on the couple's own property.
In Oxford, Ohio, it's illegal for a woman to strip off her clothing while standing in front of a man's picture.
An excerpt from Kentucky state legislation: "No female shall appear in a bathing suit on any highway within this state unless she be escorted by at least two officers or unless she be armed with a club."
The only acceptable sexual position in Washington, D.C. is the missionary position. Any other sexual position is considered illegal.
In Michigan a woman isn't allowed to cut her own hair without her husband's permission.
It is illegal for any member of the Nevada legislature to conduct official business wearing a penis costume while the legislature is in session.
In Ventura County, California cats and dogs are not allowed to have sex without a permit.
Under Lebanese law, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is expressly forbidden.
A law in Fairbanks, Alaska does not allow moose to have sex on city streets.
In Kingsville, Texas there is a law against two pigs having sex on the city's airport property.
Women can sell items and be topless in Liverpool, Englandbut only in tropical fish stores.
In the state of Texas it is a misdemeanor if two men engage in oral and or anal sex. The same law does'nt apply to men and women engaging in the same activity with each other.
In Romboch, Virginia, it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with the lights on.
In the state of Utah, sex with an animalunless performed for profitis not considered sodomy and therefore is legal.
Anywhere in the U.S., it's illegal to use any live endangered species (except for insects) in public or private sexual displays, shows or exhibits depicting cross-species sex.
In the quiet town of Connorsville, Wisconsin, it's illegal for a man to shoot off a gun when his female partner has an orgasm.
It is illegal for a man and woman to have sex "on the steps of any church after the sun goes down" in Birmingham, England.
In the state of Washington there is a law against having sex with a virgin under any circumstances (including the wedding night).
posted on November 2, 2005 09:42:53 AMyou might want to concern yourself with activities other than attempting to police my activity.
LOL! Police your activity? If merely reading these boards constitutes policing your activity...but wait..have you recently sold your soul for a pork loin sandwich?...and how did I know that..hmmm?? I must have been channeling somebody who recently died for those psychic policing powers to kick in..I'll be damnned**, you may be noise deaf, but I'm not blind yet....
People have to make a choice, they are children and the parents are the blame or they are adults and they are to blame...
That might be a little too black and white for some people.
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posted on November 2, 2005 09:43:21 AM
"People have to make a choice, they are children and the parents are the blame or they are adults and they are to blame."
Thinking in black and white again, huh Ron??? I would say again, that is a pretty poor assessment. 13 year olds cannot be monitored every moment of the day. They walk home from school, they go to the malls, they go to friends homes, they kiss, they have sex. Geez, do you think a 13 year old would even think it is a felony to have sex? You are talking about an age where everything is confusing, they are amongst 10 year olds and 15-16 year olds. At that age, a 13 year old could be as immature as a 8 year old, or as mature as an 18 year old. It goes all over the place.
Yes, this child did something wrong, but having to wear a scarlet letter for life because of a poor choice at 13 years old???
posted on November 2, 2005 10:06:36 AM
LOL....Neglus...your list was fun to read. Yep, many laws on the books that need changing.
But I agree with Ron and dbl....change the law or enforce it.
What hasn't been mentioned here is the possibility of a juvenile judge finding a reason this particular case wouldn't need to end up as a felony conviction. Not enough of the actual case....too much bitching about what O'Reilly said in part.
posted on November 2, 2005 10:17:44 AM
Linda, I bet dollars to donuts, no judge is going to even bring this to pass as a conviction. Perhaps the charges were brought to bring on a pr statement to the kids and parents of that town.
I once had to listen to my 13yo niece and her friend telling her about how sex with your 1st one you never forget it,..its a bond with that person, yada yada yada...I'm so adult type thing. rofl!! I could not believe the words coming out of this girl's mouth. She thought she was so all that at sdult 14 that she was now in the position to preach to the wondering virgin. All I could think was you dont even know what the hell youre talking about. You've watched Blue lagoon one too many times! This girl drank, smoked, did drugs, and had sex all before her 15th birthday. She was far from innocent, but her parents certainly neglected something along the line in her upbringing.
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posted on November 2, 2005 10:18:32 AM
Also wanted to mention, for those who may not be aware of some laws....in CA [at least] ANY girl under the age of 14 who presents herself at an abortion clinic or an OBGYN facility for pre-natal care, the doctors [etc] are REQUIRED by law to report their cases to Child Protective Services....as it should be, imo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 2, 2005 10:25:16 AM
I know dbl. It's sad that they continue to get younger and younger when they begin experimenting, sexually. Their bodies are so ready...but they just don't have a clue about all the different consequences that come from that decision.
But what really gets me pissed are the liberals who think government shouldn't become involved in ANY sexual thing...even with children this young....and are so quick to 'condone' it...in a manner of speaking. It appears to me 'everything that makes you happy, makes you feel good, should be your OWN business'. But then they'll turn right about and #*!@ when those who don't approve of this behavior object to paying [tax wise] for the consequences of this same behavior.
No....they play...we pay...appears to be the liberals model.
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