posted on December 5, 2005 03:32:17 AM new
Ok, lets try to keep the other thread on topic for those who are seriously interested in essential oils. Feel free to post all of the debatable comments here.
I'll start with Colins comment...
Colin wrote:Would KY Brand Jelly Warming Personal Lubricant be an Essential Oil?
Colin, not only is it not an essential oil, it is something that should only be used on doorknobs or your PVC dates. KY is only slightly better than 10w40 when used a personal lubricant.
I would recommend cold pressed olive oil with only a touch of cinnamon. You would have the added benefits of a whole food during your play time and not have to worry about leaving your platemate feeling like a toxic dump.
posted on December 5, 2005 03:38:29 AM new
Helen wrote:
"sounds like some kind of new-agey voodoo to me."
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Essential??? oils. LOL. It sounds like a waste of money to me.
Actually Helen, it does not have to be essential oils. Many of the benefits of essential oils can be obtained by using the herb itself when prepared correctly.
Essential oils are usually concentrated plant oils acquired by distilling large amounts of plant material. You can create less diluted forms by steeping dried herbs in water or soaking plant material in cold pressed oils.
Grandmaw probably did not have access to essential oils. She just snipped a few leaves and brackets from her rosemary plant and made herself a tea.
*!*!*When your ship comes in.... make sure you are willing to unload it.*!*!*
posted on December 5, 2005 03:42:37 AM new
PArklane wrote:Essential oils, and herbs. Aromatherapy. Bah.
New buzzwords. I've been using herbs and aromatherapy for thirty years. My favorite essential oil is $2.20 a gallon.
Exactly Park. New words for things that have been working for ages!
I can not imagine what you are buying for $2.20 a gallon since even milk is not that cheap anymore, but if you were referring to something more in the $2.20 a pint range, yes, it is great relaxant for many
posted on December 5, 2005 03:58:19 AM new
Helen wrote: Is placebo effect the "science" on which you are basing your claim of effectiveness?
No Helen, I am well aware of the skeptics who write off herbal medicine. While many in the medical community write off symptom relief as a placebo effect, there has been actual research done to isolate the chemical components in the herbs that could be responsible for healing effects.
Unfortunately, many of the studies get discredited by the AMA because they were not conducted by recognized AMA authorities.
See the Vanderbilt link in the other thread. Our AMA rarely gives credit to studies done by other countries. I understand their position, but... with the growing cost of health care in this country, can we afford to ignore what has already been learned in other countries?
There are also not enough U.S. scientific studies out there simply because the drug companies do not want to fund research that does not result in something they can patent.
posted on December 5, 2005 04:57:06 AM new
"I'll start with Colins comment...
Colin wrote:Would KY Brand Jelly Warming Personal Lubricant be an Essential Oil?
Colin, not only is it not an essential oil, it is something that should only be used on doorknobs or your PVC dates. KY is only slightly better than 10w40 when used a personal lubricant."
Thanks for the update. I had a feeling it wasn't the right option.
okay maybe this time
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I think that most don't realize that these aren't new things. For centuries other cultures, (ie, Native American, Chinese) have been using oils and herbs to cure many diseases and with great success. Penicillin started out as mold, for crying old loud. There were cures for things before modern medicine.
I take no prescription drugs. Everything I use is a natural herb. Even my aspirin is homeopathic. I used to take antibiotics and other scripts until the cost of these and other drugs became too expensive. I turned to homeopathic remedies (for Zicam users - this is a homeopathic remedy as well). I even don't buy vitamins in the drug store. I don't need the added sugar and other worthless goodies they add to them. Buying them from a reputable seller of homeopathics assures a pure product. Sorry, skeptics, but they work. If anyone is interested, I know of a great site where all their products are produced using rain forest plants. No, they are not harming the rain forest.
My friend John has problems with his knees. The pain becomes so bad that he can barely walk. The doctor gave him a script for pain killers, which are highly addictive. Even with pain killers, walking was hard. He now takes Omega 3's and guess what? No more pain killers. He still has some pain, but it's bearable. He's also HIV+ and has been for over 10 years. He takes no HIV drugs, which are poison in their own right, and instead relies on more natural remedies and eats a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. Aside from the knee pain, he's still healthy with a good T-cell count.
The problem with these "cures" and the medical community is that there's no money to be made in it. At least, not like the money they are making now. There will always be people more than willing to feed the drug company profit machine.
Just my two cents - AND before my morning cup of coffee I might add.
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
[ edited by cblev65252 on Dec 5, 2005 05:10 AM ]
posted on December 5, 2005 05:10:34 AM new "On a more serious note, I believe I have some articles on oils used in witch craft.(Alternative religions) "
In other words, new-agey voodoo based on withchcraft.
References to science should not be used in advertising this stuff.
posted on December 5, 2005 05:19:27 AM new
From several sources:
Science: Science refers to either:* the scientific method – a process for evaluating empirical knowledge; or* the organized body of knowledge gained by this process.
Studies that normally encompass courses based on a knowledge of facts, phenomena, laws, and proximate cause are designated Science.
Science: systemized knowledge derived through experimentation, observation, and study. Also, the methodology used to acquire this knowledge.
Science: the study of the natural world
Science: The study of the nature and behaviour of the physical universe in order to provide understanding and to develop a description of the basic principles and mechanisms.
So, Helen, why shouldn't references to "science" be used? Blending oils (some blends can be dangerous and we all know that some plants are dangerous in their natural state) is a science. There are scientists who are working to better understand why some plants can be used for cures and their are many who are advocating the use of oils, herbs and plants as cures. I would just like to better understand your reasoning.
Edited because I went a little comma crazy.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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posted on December 5, 2005 05:19:30 AM newIn other words, new-agey voodoo based on withchcraft.
Helen, why do you supposed in the Catholic Church they burn incense? Did you know in many of the sacraments one is annointed with oils? It's based on the old testament,not witchcraft.
edit to add: And before synthetic medications became all too easy for the drug companies, most medications were dervived from plants roots.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Dec 5, 2005 05:26 AM ]
posted on December 5, 2005 07:35:06 AM new
Cheryl, on the link to the sales page on Essential oils that LtRay provided I read a disclaimer that there is not a huge body of test data about the healing effects of essential oils and that much of the information is based on anecdotal evidence or in drawing inferences.
It's true, of course that medicinal agents have been found in plants. In the studies that led to these discoveries, scientific method was used Here we are talking about *smelling* aromas to presumably cure disease, mental problems and pain without any data to verify how these oils work.
Have the results of your science been published in reputable scientific journals and books and replicated?
Later...on my way to get ready for a snow storm...
posted on December 5, 2005 08:15:16 AM new
MONEY FAST OIL
7 drops Patchouli
5 drops Cedarwood
4 drops Vetivert
2 drops Ginger
Wear, rub on the hands, or anoint green candles to bring money. Also anoint
money before spending to ensure it's return.
APHRODITE OIL
5 Drops Cypress
2 drops Cinnamon
a small piece of dried Orris root
Add the true essential oils & the orris root to an olive oil base. Anoint your body to bring a love into your life.
Or you could have the Reverend make your own special Mojo!!!
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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posted on December 5, 2005 08:24:10 AM new
Cheryl, very impressive before your first cup
Helen, I purposely provided links that that had info good, bad or otherwise. I could easily provide a whole page of links which site that herbals are all smoke and mirrors.
There are more studies in the works now because the U.S. medical community is aware that it needs to have a better understanding of Complementary and Alternative Medicine .
Did anyone watch the show that was on last week about alternative therapies and the traditional medical community? I was channel surfing, so I don't remember if it was 60 minutes, Dateline or something similar, but they had an interview with the president of Beth Israel hospital. He said they were providing alternative therapies not because he agreed with the science, but because the hospital realized they could be losing a revenue stream.
That is the same reason why there have not been more studies, but will be in the future.
John Hopkins Medical School is also supporting research into alternative therapies.
On the other hand, have you read the back of your toothpaste tube lately? Research into fluoride treatments have gotten us all to depend upon commercial toothpaste to prevent tooth decay. What they don't advertise is that you are putting a toxic chemical into your body.
Self education is a wise investment whether you are using an "approved" substance or just relying on voodoo.
posted on December 5, 2005 08:31:51 AM new
Yes Colin, I know a few people who deal in spells. They read the book but don't realize the karmic implications of what they are doing.
No doubt APHRODITE OIL will "bring a love into your life" but it might just be the horse fly who thinks you smell sweet
And I love the Money marker potions. Some body gets some money from them , lol.
BTW, your mazola link doesn't work. Was that an invitation to crisco party?
The effects of essential oils really is an individual thing. That's why if you aren't experienced with them, you should pay a visit to an aromatherapist. It takes a lot of study to know what each oil is used for, which to blend and which not to blend. I would never blend oils just to blend them. When I'm down in the dumps, orange oils actually lifts my spirits. It's not to say that orange oil will have the same effect on everyone. It may not affect you at all. But, what comes to mind when you think of oranges? Warm, sunny days for me. Maybe oranges bring a bad memory to other people and they should steer clear. Your mind is a very powerful thing and the power of suggestion can work for you as well as against you. Scientifically proven or not, if something works for someone they should use it if no physical harm will come to them by doing so.
With the onset of Alzheimers in my mother, she become easily frustrated. I gave her lavender oil and she uses it. She has reported to me that it calms her. Whether or not that can be proven by the scientific community, it works for her.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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posted on December 5, 2005 10:25:57 AM new
Well, Cheryl...Postive thinking works miracles so if aroma-therapy works for you and you are sure that you are not missing out on reliable and effective therapy for what might be a serious illness then I would say go for it!
...if you can afford to invest in voodoo...that is.
posted on December 5, 2005 12:13:57 PM new
Helen - If I had a life-threatening disease, I wouldn't rely solely on oils or herbs. Combining these things with modern medicine (complementary/alternatives), is a good bet in fighting disease. Say if I can Cancer. I'd still undergo the Chemo, but I would also take alternative medicines. Some boost the immune system, which is something Chemo destroys. If I'm feeling down in the dumps, orange oil. I most certainly wouldn't tell someone with chronic depression to rely solely on orange oil. The Cleveland Clinic, for instance, is a big supporter of complementary/alternative therapies. It's a world-class hospital that would hardly refer to these things as voodoo. Modern medicine and the alternative medicine communities can work side-by-side to make treatments more effective.
For everyday aches and pains and even some infections, there are alternatives to pain killers and antibiotics, which are becomming less and less effective anyway.
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Cheryl, we will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.
If a medical doctor suggested aromatherapy to me as any kind of therapy I would find another doctor.
Aromatherapy in my case would be completely useless because I have no confidence in it's effectiveness to do anything but remove money from my bank account.
It may be useful to some people who find it relaxing to smell certain odors or be massaged with aromatic oils.
Only in that respect can aromatherapy be useful to some people. I am not one of that group.
This one sells for $130.00 for 16ml.
VIOLET LEAF ABSOLUTE
Excerpt....
I have seen this absolute recommended in various mature skin care blends. Victoria Edwards says that it acts as a sedative, a liver decongestant, and a circulatory stimulant, that it treats aging and problem skin, blackheads, and enlarged pores. (wondering how it would work blended with Cistus's astringency and lymphatic stimulation...and the aromas would, I think, speak to each other.
Emotionally, Violet leaf is said to support the emotions and the heart...to soothe both nostalgia and obsession....Worwood describes it as "silent, seductive, and persuasive...helps you to realize your potential." She recommends it for timidity of the spirit, shyness, to overcome fears and shyness. Energetically and ritualistically, it is an oil of springtime, and of new beginnings and new growth.
So, it is effective in curing all these problems?...
sedative
liver decongestant
circulatory stimulant
treats aging
treats problem skin
blackheads
enlarged pores
lymphatic stimulation
supports the emotions and the heart
soothes nostalgia
soothes obsession
helps you realize your potential
recommended for timidity of the spirit
recommended for shyness
helps overcome fears and shyness
posted on December 5, 2005 01:27:07 PM new
Helen, I don't have a problem with you not wanting to try something as foreign to you as aromatherapy, but I am curios as to why you put so much faith into "conventional" medicine?
posted on December 5, 2005 04:50:05 PM new The only thing that bugs me about them is they're called "essential". Like you'll die without them.
You are thinking of the second definition of "essential." The primary definition is the one that fits its use in the phrase "essential oils":
1 : of, relating to, or constituting essence : INHERENT
2 : of the utmost importance : BASIC, INDISPENSABLE,
Essential oils are highly concentrated and potent oils extracted from plants, leaves, flowers, roots, buds, twigs, rhizomes, heartwood, bark, resin, seeds and fruits. According to the International Organization for Standardization, essential oils are a natural product made by distillation with either water or steam or by mechanical processing of citrus rinds or by dry distillation of natural materials.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- George W. Bush
posted on December 6, 2005 01:09:07 PM new
For me, as for a lot of people, smell is strongly linked to memory. I dislike the odor of diesel, yet it excites me because it is indelibly linked to adventures in my memories.
I have utilized pheromones on contest entries with mixed success.
