nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 06:31:57 AM new
It seems like there is an unthinking, flag-waving mass of sheep that support everything America has ever done, just because America has done it.
So to that group, I ask someone to justify the war in Vietnam. There were plenty of supporters at the time (just like now in Iraq), but not many nowadays. Just curious what happened.
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replaymedia
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posted on January 15, 2006 07:32:31 AM new
Before my time. I must be of just the right age.
Born in 1967, I was too young to understand what was going on in vietnam, and by the time I hit high school, it hadn't been included in the history books yet. Of the entirety of human history, that is my weakest point.
Obviously, in retrospect, it was a big mistake. America simply wasn't ready for its first "media war" and had no idea how to deal with all the media influence that had never been there in previous wars.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on January 15, 2006 07:46:36 AM new
I don't know, Nerf, you'll have to wait for the ones who aren't so stoooopid in politics to wake up and answer your question..
Hindsight is almost always 20:20
Many believe that to be patriotic means to believe what your elected officials tell you is based on the truth and they follow unquestioningly.
Let's face it, the population is most always made up of vast herds of sheep led by a handful of shepherds.
What kind of leadership could controlthe masses if they were made up of thinking, questioning, reasoning people?
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colin
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posted on January 15, 2006 09:08:28 AM new
Ask the French.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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hwahwa
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posted on January 15, 2006 09:49:56 AM new
The French said watching the Americans fight the Vietnam war is like hearing how your ex mistress is squabbling with her new lover??
But then no one asks the JAPANESE and the CHINESE??
/ lets all stop whining !! /
[ edited by hwahwa on Jan 15, 2006 09:50 AM ]
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 10:14:30 AM new
Ask the French what?
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 10:18:28 AM new
I want to find somebody who, in retrospect, will still say we (America) were justified in doing what we did in Vietnam. Or does everybody feel it was probably a mistake?
The French are irrelevant to the discussion. Let them ask that on a French board.
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dblfugger9
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posted on January 15, 2006 10:51:21 AM new
hwawa, my new word is lu-bing ice skate. here watch me do a figure 8. very nice dbl, she goes with such grace. (dontcha think?) lol!!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 15, 2006 10:57:58 AM new
"I want to find somebody who, in retrospect, will still say we (America) were justified in doing what we did in Vietnam."
I've only heard one diminished digit say that. There may be others...
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hwahwa
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posted on January 15, 2006 10:59:01 AM new
I think you should try playing ping pong and work on your wrist ,not your waist!!
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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dblfugger9
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posted on January 15, 2006 11:00:48 AM new
Helen, how many digits do you see me holding up here?
oooo..hwawa..made a dirty. I am not doing anything with my wrists until I figure how many digits are attached to it.
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jan 15, 2006 11:02 AM ]
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hwahwa
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posted on January 15, 2006 12:14:39 PM new
I SEE!
There is an organisation called Vietnam VeteranS Against the WAR,they have a website and is based in Chicago.
There is also Iraq veterans against the war.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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desquirrel
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posted on January 15, 2006 12:41:33 PM new
"Just curious what happened."
I don't know what you think Vietnam was about, but the major reason was to prevent the spread and subversion of Communism throughout SE Asia and to show the Russians and Chinese we would not sit idly by while the subverted countries with little cost.
Burma, Thailand, and India were saved from active threats when they were too weak to resist.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 15, 2006 12:41:41 PM new
Vietnam has nothing to do with Iraq and trying to link the two is like attempting to make a apple an orange.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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hwahwa
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posted on January 15, 2006 01:31:42 PM new
I am merely pointing out there are 2 outfits which are against wars.
As for saving those countries from communism,I dunno why anyone wants to embrace communism,people just get poorer and poorer and the govts have to build walls,barbwires and station guards to shoot down anyone who dares to escape.
If communism is so successful,why would the people want to risk their life and stage great escape??
Who said that if we dont fight over there,we will soon have to defend ourselves on California coast??
But you know,most countries defend themselves from their own coast,but this is a mighty country with deep pockets,it can do things other countries cant afford to do.
The Brit defended the Faulklan Islands(forget the spelling) and it costs one million dollars a day to keep the supply line open and the Brits are poor.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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desquirrel
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posted on January 15, 2006 01:51:40 PM new
People who grab a soapbox and proclaim "I'm against war" are quite stupid. It's like the rest are "for it".
Actually, it does not take too much smarts to figure out that war is not the worst thing that can happen. The peacenics are responsible for more death and destruction than any dictator could ever claim by himself.
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 02:35:28 PM new
Who proclaimed to be against war? WWII was quite justified.
As far as comparing apples and oranges - they're both fruits.
#1Iraq and Vietnam were both wars that were launched on a country that had not done anything to harm Americans.
#2They were both wars that were justified at the time with lies to the American people.
#3They were both wars in which American soldiers killed countless innocent women and children in order to support that lie.
#4They were both wars in which people that spoke out against it were considered unpatriotic.
The United States losing in Vietnam, did not do this country any good, it did not save India, Burma or Thailand, and it certainly didn't stop the spread of Communism.
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hwahwa
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posted on January 15, 2006 02:47:41 PM new
who is spreading communism now?
did you not hear what uncle DENG said of china-some people are allowed to get rich first and the rest will follow later!
And as usual,when a BIG KAHUNA speaks,everyone cheered and praised him as a Pragmatic LEADER,no one ever ask WHAT HAPPENS TO COMMUNISM OR what is the CHINESE REVOLUTION all about,if not to free the people of capitalists and their running dogs??
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 15, 2006 03:30:16 PM new
Ok smart guy apple and nerfball, nothing in common in the real world.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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colin
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posted on January 15, 2006 03:48:17 PM new
"if communism is so successful,why would the people want to risk their life and stage great escape??"
Helen's the big cheese of the communist party here. I'm sure she has an answer for you
rubberwristwillie writes:
"As far as comparing apples and oranges - they're both fruits."
Yes, and so are you!!!
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 03:58:09 PM new
Aww, that's so cute. Did you, or your boyfriend come up with that?
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 15, 2006 04:09:15 PM new
Nerfabalwillie's points
#1Iraq and Vietnam were both wars that were launched on a country that had not done anything to harm Americans.
Vietnam was still a carry over from the Korean War to stop the spread of communism, we the American people had taken a leading role in the World to stop that spread.
Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, their leader had repeatedly ignored the UN and it was a safety measure, a preventive action.
#2They were both wars that were justified at the time with lies to the American people.
What lie was Vietnam based on?
What lie was Iraq based on?
Answer: None.
#3They were both wars in which American soldiers killed countless innocent women and children in order to support that lie.
There are no innocents in War. only in liberals minds.
#4They were both wars in which people that spoke out against it were considered unpatriotic.
Considering Communism is an affront to the American society, you should of been labled un-patriotic for supporting Vietnam
It is not patriotic to hinder the effort in Iraq and cause more deaths of US Soldiers
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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Bear1949
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posted on January 15, 2006 04:21:11 PM new
#1Iraq and Vietnam were both wars that were launched on a country that had not done anything to harm Americans.
The South Vietnamese president requested assistance from America to stop the N Vietnamese & Chinese Communists.
Saadam was hosting training camps for terrorists & providing funds for suicide bombers
#2They were both wars that were justified at the time with lies to the American people.
What lies?
#3They were both wars in which American soldiers killed countless innocent women and children in order to support that lie.
VC & NVA tortured & killed more women and children on purpose that any American troops
Saddam & his boys killed more of his own people than any American troops
#4They were both wars in which people that spoke out against it were considered unpatriotic.
Anytime anyone voices doubt about the purpose of American military personnel, they undermine the moral of those fighting troops. That IS unpatriotic
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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nerfballwillie
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posted on January 15, 2006 04:50:35 PM new
The two little bears.
What lies...
What Weapons of Mass Destruction? What Imminent threat? Have you forgotten the reasons that were given at the time for war with Iraq? The reasons changed after we were already in there, because most Americans would be too scared of being called unpatriotic to say anything after we were already in there.
No innocents? What about infants, or do they not count because their government - a government they aren't even cognizant of - has a different view on the world than the US?
How is communism IN VIETNAM an affront to American society? If that was justification enough, than why haven't we gone back - it's still communist there! And what about China - should we go to war with them too? Of course not - they would put up too much of a fight.
Show me some evidence that Saddam was hosting terrorist training camps. Yes, he funded suicide bombers for sure, and that is something the Israelis should have made him pay for, but why does the US have to do their dirty work? How many Palestinians strapped bombs to their chests and blew up US restaurants or buses?
Besides, everyone knows the numbers - far more Palestinians have been killed by Israelis than the other way around. How else are they supposed to fight back. They don't get $4 billion a year in military support from the US.
As I said, bunch of sheep.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 15, 2006 05:08:47 PM new
We allowed the left in this country to lose in Vietnam, no reason to go back. We lost they won.
I see opposiing opinions were not really what you were looking for. But then you must of been one of the communist sypmpathizers during Vietnam and believe all of the lefts BS now, so who really is the sheep? Look in the mirror nerfball.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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Bear1949
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posted on January 15, 2006 05:20:36 PM new
Still no proof Pres Bush lied about Iraq, Nerfballs.
Have you got an inside line on it?
And in case you forgot, KENNEDY was the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT that increased American troop presence and DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT LBJ escalated the war.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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desquirrel
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posted on January 15, 2006 05:29:42 PM new
"#3They were both wars in which American soldiers killed countless innocent women and children in order to support that lie."
Do you have any figures on this stuff, or do you make it up as you go along?
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bigpeepa
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posted on January 15, 2006 06:27:53 PM new
nerfballwillie, not one person could say Viet Nam was justified NICE JOB.
You better watch out if you stick the conservatives often they will all start telling you how smart they are and how uninformed you are. LOL
The Vietnam war was started and lost by old rich white men. 50,000 young American men of all colors and backgrounds lost their lives in Viet Nam.
Someone asked "who is spreading communism now"?
We all know Bush,his conservative Lawmakers,their conservative supporters along with greedy conservative American Industry is spreading communism today.
CHINA'S RED STAR IS RISING EVEN IN THE RED STATES.
BUSH AND THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES KISS CHINA'S COMMUNIST AZZ.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 15, 2006 06:59:52 PM new
Vietnam was justified for the time.
Happy now peepa, were you one of the communist supporters back then also?
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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Bear1949
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posted on January 15, 2006 07:23:58 PM new
nerfballwillie, not one person could say Viet Nam was justified NICE JOB.
JFK & LBJ thought it was justified and they were DEMOCRATS.
And as a weapons development & testing ground it was justified.
It was also justified by the training young officers received in what not to do in combat. Men like Colin Powell & Norman Schwartzkopf learned lessons that enabled them to WIN later wars.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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