posted on February 18, 2006 08:29:17 AM new
So why isn't he denouncing the Muslim media for criticizing Christianity & Judaism??? Could it be because he is a world class HYPOCRITE
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Clinton in Pakistan: Convict cartoon publishers
Says press should not be allowed to criticize other faiths
Former President Bill Clinton today called for the conviction of European papers that published satirical cartoons of Muhammad, according to reports in the Islamic press and elsewhere.
Clinton condemned the publication of the caricatures by European newspapers and urged countries concerned to convict the publishers, according to the reports.
He said religious convictions of the people should be respected at all costs and no media should be allowed to play with the religious sentiments of people of any faith.
"I strongly disagree with the creation and publication of cartoons that are considered blasphemous by the Muslims around the world," he said. "I thought it was a mistake."
Talking to reporters after meeting Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad, Clinton said he disagreed with the caricatures and that the publication was against religious and ethical norms. Clinton said he had no objection to peaceful demonstrations, but condemned the violent response. He said it was the time to promote inter-faith harmony and stand together on the issue.
He said the people's religious convictions should be respected at all costs and that media should not be permitted to criticize other faiths. He said the media could criticize any issue including governments and people, but nobody had the right to play with the sentiments of other faiths.
Clinton said people in the U.S. had also condemned the publication and were deeply concerned over it. He said Americans respected Islam, as it was the fastest-growing religion in the U.S. Clinton also visited President Pervez Musharraf and both men discussed the India-Pakistan peace talks and progress in Afghanistan.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on February 18, 2006 08:53:18 AM new
Hey bear - where are the reports this article mentions? I would REALLY liike to see the quotes from him that state that there should be criminal charges.
This is the WORST kind of journalism. You start of with an indictment based on reports in another newspapaer that includes absolutely no supporting material or quotes tand then follow it up with a synoposis of comments made to reportsers that condemn the cartoons and the publishing of them. Problem is that in that synopsis of statements there is no mention whatsoever of "convicting" them of anything.
It's a neat little game. Problem is that unless you are just desperate to believe anything negative reported about Clinton, it's a pretty transparent ploy.
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posted on February 18, 2006 09:46:33 AM new
Fenix, do you think Clinton didn't call for the conviction of publishers that posted the photo's.
Several other sources report the same story.
posted on February 18, 2006 10:11:37 AM new
Bear - do you have something where there is actually a quote that says the publishers should be prosecuted and convicted of anything.
Do I doubt he said it? Yes I do. You see, I see direct quotes from Clinton regarding the Protestors and denouncing the cartoons themselves but what I do not see, and what is conspicuous in absence considering the assertion in the articles that he made the statement, is a direct quote from Clinton that states that the publishers should charged with anything or convicted.
In fact - in your second link, it states only that he condemned the cartoons. Nothing about convicting anyone of anything.
I believe that he denounced the cartoons and the publishing of them. (You do believe that he has the right to do that don't you, or is it just people who you agree with that you believe have the right to freedom of speech). I do not believe that he said they should "be convicted".
Show me a quote - prove me wrong. Do you really think that if he did indeed say such a thing that no one has the quote. That would be a barn burner if it exited, why do you think none of your articles include it?
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posted on February 18, 2006 12:37:55 PM newClinton calling for censorship of speech?
Yep he sure did.
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"Former President Bill Clinton today called for the conviction of European papers that published satirical cartoons of Muhammad, according to reports in the Islamic press and elsewhere.
posted on February 18, 2006 01:13:34 PM new
Linda - I find it interesting that the only time you ever believe anything an Islamic news source says it when it is something you want to believe.
Don't you find it interesting that there are no quoted Islamic news sources and no quote that substantiates the claim. Or do you simply not care if if it's actually true?
Come on Linda - between you and bear I'm sure that one of you can find that inflamatory quote.
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posted on February 19, 2006 07:11:40 AM newYep he sure did.
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"Former President Bill Clinton today called for the conviction of European papers that published satirical cartoons of Muhammad, according to reports in the Islamic press and elsewhere.
::eyeroll::
You ought to get those eyes checked so they don't roll so much. You haven't quoted Clinton's words any more than bear did. The only place in those articles the word "conviction" is used is as part of the phrase "religious convictions". Where's the Clinton quote using the word "convict"??
Even the original article from a Pakistani paper (imagine that) doesn't quote him.
posted on February 19, 2006 08:32:19 AM new
If it comes from the rag sheet "World Net Daily", of course lindak and Bear will believe it. Guess they must think everyone is as gullible as they are and will never question anything and will buy into anything they report here that furthers their cause.
World Net Daily - lowbrow, Enquirer-like, "you-heard-it-here-first" journalism, for the most part
posted on February 19, 2006 02:04:12 PM new
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posted on February 19, 2006 02:14:55 PM new
And yet still you can't produce the quote. Come on Bear. that's a money quote if ever there was one - are you saying that no one has it?
Hmmm... could that be because... it doesn't exist?
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posted on February 19, 2006 02:38:19 PM new
C'mon bear, where's the quote? Linda? Who gives a crap about how wonderful worldnet is. If they "broke" this story, which they didn't, I posted the original link above, where's the quote?? So far, nobody can prove Clinton called for the conviction of those who published the cartoons.
He's quoted pretty extensively in some of the versions of this report, and there's no doubt he spoke his mind about the cartoons being offensive...so what. Nowhere, as far as I can find, did he say that the publishers should be convicted of anything. Only the inflammatory headlines say that.
I'll stand corrected when Clinton's actual words, verified, are published. Otherwise, this is just bull, plain and simple. Boy is the right reaching these days.
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posted on February 19, 2006 02:38:55 PM new
Fenix, Do I have audio of his saying it, no. Has the MSM reported his statement? No. All the more reason to believe it since the MSM has failed to make note of the statement.
His statement "I strongly disagree with the creation and publication of cartoons that are considered blasphemous by the Muslims around the world," he said. "I thought it was a mistake." That statement is a condemnation of freedom os speech. Plain and simple.
Kiara, next you will be saying UPI isn't a credable source.
"But in the west, if it was covered at all, the comment urging countries to "convict" the publishers is not mentioned, and neither is the call for censorship. "
So, what did Clinton actually say? Is he urging the "conviction" of the publishers of the cartoons, and under what laws? And, more importantly, is he advocating blanket censorship of such items - even in the United States?
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on February 19, 2006 03:02:42 PM new
Clinton spoke his mind, but by all accounts did NOT call for the conviction or censorship of anybody. Big deal. This is a non-story.
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posted on February 19, 2006 03:17:58 PM new
Prof, I guess its a matter of interpertation. Though both of us know if Pres Bush had said it ALL the liberals world wide would be calling for his head.
Right????
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on February 19, 2006 05:35:41 PM new
Bear - If someone had a quote of Clinton saying that publishers should be convicted of a criminal offense for pulishing the cartoons we would be calling for his head but the closest you can come is someone saying that someone else said he said something to that effect.
He condemned the cartoons. So what? Doesn't his freedom of speech allow him to do just that?
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posted on February 19, 2006 07:35:15 PM new
Bear and Liar_K,
Since you can't find any direct quotes from Bill Clinton. I found a few Clinton quotes for ya below enjoy.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Clinton said Sunday the Bush administration's "enormous penchant for secrecy" sparked the strong reaction to Vice President Dick Cheney's shooting mishap.
"We have people quite often who are shot in quail incidents, so I didn't feel the need to get into the pile-on," Clinton said Sunday on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Cheney has been criticized for not disclosing the shooting on Feb. 11 of Texas lawyer Harry Whittington until the following day.
"I think the White House should have said something about it sooner," Clinton said. "I think that it's gotten a little more light than it would have because the administration has an enormous penchant for secrecy for not telling anybody anything about anything."
The shooting had little impact on public opinion about the job done by Cheney, which was already low. A Time magazine poll found 29 percent of those surveyed approve of the job done by Cheney, close to the 32 percent approval for the vice president in November.
President Bush said last week that Cheney had handled the situation "just fine."
Bush also said critics were drawing "the wrong conclusion about a tragic accident" by saying it depicted the White House as overly secretive.
posted on February 19, 2006 08:12:58 PM newProf, I guess its a matter of interpertation. Though both of us know if Pres Bush had said it ALL the liberals world wide would be calling for his head.
Right????
If he actually said it, you betcha...
I wouldn't like to hear it from Clinton, either. If somebody can show me proof he called for legal censure of these people, I'll be the first in line to criticize him for it. So far though, doesn't look like he did.
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posted on February 19, 2006 09:23:35 PM newormer President Clinton said Sunday the Bush administration's "enormous penchant for secrecy" sparked the strong reaction to Vice President Dick Cheney's shooting mishap.
As usual sheepa your lackof concentration is evident, or is it your febile attempt to derail the subject?
How about:
Clinton's attempted cover up of Vince Foster's suicide?
Whitewater Gate...
White House travel agency firings...
I did not have sex with that women...
Clinton AIDS infected blood sale...
Theft of government property and furniture upon Clinton's exiting of the White House.
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posted on February 20, 2006 05:20:21 AM new
CONSERVATIVES LIKE BEAR ARE BEYOND SHAME IN THEIR EFFORTS TO DEFEND DUMBO AND HIS FAILED CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
posted on February 20, 2006 09:49:29 AM new
No quote but when cornered in true right wing demagoguery brings up the ghost of Vince Foster, Lewinsky and Whitewater.
posted on February 20, 2006 09:57:20 AM new
Clinton's continued, and in fact growing world wide appeal and popularity is a sore that just won't heal for the right. You gotta love it.
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posted on February 20, 2006 10:40:30 AM new
Here you go Kiara:
Quote:
"I strongly disagree with the creation and publication of cartoons that are considered blasphemous by the Muslims around the world," he said. "I thought it was a mistake."
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on February 20, 2006 11:40:57 AM new
By your quote then bear, he's
1. Not calling for any censorship
2. Not asking for anyone to be "convicted".
Just stating his opinion. What's so bad about that?
If I say publicly that I don't like Penthouse magazine, and I think men reading it is a mistake, it doesn't mean I think it shouldn't be published, or that it's publishers should be convicted of anything. It's just a statement of opinion.
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posted on February 20, 2006 02:13:35 PM new
Bear - how is that statement any different from the one we have been trying to get you to back upo for this entire thread? It's the same the same story rewritten.
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