posted on November 29, 2006 12:51:52 PM new
We don\'t have enough to spend our tax dollars on...now some WACKO judge orders this nonsense:
Judge Orders Treasury Department to Make Paper Money Recognizable to Blind People
Wednesday, November 29, 2006 WASHINGTON —
American paper money represents an unfair impediment to the blind, and the Treasury Department must come up with new U.S. currency to help the visually impaired use cash, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.
U.S. District Judge James Robertson said keeping all U.S. currency the same size and texture violates the Rehabilitation Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in government programs.
\"Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations,\" Robertson wrote in his ruling.
\"More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired.\"
Day Al-Mohamed, director of advocacy and government affairs at the American Council of the Blind, said that most of the world\'s currency is distinguished by color, size, perforations or tactile symbols.
The Euro, for instance, can be determined by the length of the bill - the higher the denomination the longer the bill.
\"Saudi Arabia has money that varies in size based on denomination,\" she said. \"If so many other countries can do it, why not the greatest country in the world?\"
\"It\'s exciting from our perspective. It\'s an area that doesn\'t get a lot of attention. I give ACB a lot of credit for hanging in there,\" said Andrew Imperato, president and CEO of the American Association of People with Disabilities.
\"Hopefully it\'s just going to make blind people able to live more independently.\"
But John Paré, director of public relations for the National Federation of the Blind, the nation\'s largest organization representing blind people, said identifying the money is hardly the most difficult obstacle for the blind to overcome.
\"The focus for improving the lives of blind Americans needs to be put on earning money not figuring out how to identify money,\" he said. \"Over 70 percent of blind Americans are under-employed or unemployed and this is what needs to be addressed.
\"It really is distracting to have this lawsuit,\" he said, since assistance should concentrate on people \"who don\'t have the money in the first place.\"
And I'm sure while they're at it....they'll be removing the 'In God We Trust' from the bills too......no doubt. That MAY be what this is REALLY all about to begin with.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 29, 2006 01:04 PM ]
posted on November 29, 2006 01:10:46 PM new
God forbid Crybaby_K goes blind.
It is becoming more apparent that Crybaby_K only cares about herself and not the needs of others.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on November 29, 2006 04:56:10 PM new
The reason so many counterfeiters used to love USA currency is that it's all the same size. They used to take a crisp new one dollar note, bleach all the ink off it then reprint as a crisp new one hundred dollar bill. Eventually the US Treasury caught on but they did nothing to change the size of the different denominations so countries like North Korea and Iran could continue to flood the market with counterfeit US currency. You reap what you sow?
Many countries have specific measures to help the blind or sight impared identify different denominations of currency...
posted on November 29, 2006 06:06:20 PM new
linda you truly are one of the most selfish, nasty people I've ever known.....do you REALLY get off on kicking white canes out from under blind people ???
What do YOU recommend...killing all the blind people so we don't have to spend anything on their care or safety...you are one rotten souless piece of crap...
posted on November 29, 2006 07:07:42 PM new
agitprop - I guess it depends on who says what.
An article I read today said just the opposite of what you've shared. That making them all different sizes made it easier for counterfeiters to copy those...rather than how ours are now...and that's why the treasury decided against doing them differently.
Who really knows which way is easier unless one is in the business of counterfitting bills
I just feel this cost is totally un-necessary....the blind have survived quite well all these years that our bills have been this way. And it's a cost in war time I don't believe we need to be spending to change the presses around.
IF the 9th circuit court doesn't overrule this judge.....I'd hope they just do something as simple as adding inverted dots on one edge of the bills. That could probably be accomplished with little expense.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 29, 2006 07:30:56 PM new
Canadian currency has raised dots so the blind can feel the dots to read the currency. The notes are different colors and have a large denomination number in a dark color against a light background on one side and the number is a light color against a dark background on the other to aid the visually impaired. The Canadian Institute for the Blind issues free readers for currency and the user can choose to use it with three options: voice, tone or vibration. The readers are updated whenever the currency is changed.
With the amount of money that governments waste each year they should all use funds to aid those with disabilities and try to make their lives better any way they can. There but for the grace of God go I.
posted on November 29, 2006 08:23:07 PM new
Probably a dem/socialist/progressive or something.
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May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
posted on November 29, 2006 08:23:59 PM new
Linda - my dad is legally blind and i can't tell you how many times he would give clerks the wrong bills because he could not tell the difference or ask me to check the bills before he haded them over. The only way he can tell when he shops alone is by having my step fold bills specific ways depending on amount when she gives them to him. Problem is that if he goes out shopping without her he has no way of knowing if he is getting the correct change or what the new bills he has just been handed are. Sure he "gets along just fine so far" but if he were ever on his own he would be an open target for any dishonest clerk in town.
As far as expenses... not really. Most of the bills have already been redesigned already... just a matter of changing the image size of the basic file and resetting cuts. Could actually save money by allowing more bils to be ganged up on the same parent sheet when printing. There would be no change to the press. Parent sheets are the same for every denomination. the difference is in the cut and even doing manual changes on a cutter takes all of about 10 seconds. Automated machines would just have the new dimentions programmed in which takes maybe a minute and changes by denomination would be about 5 seconds as the computer moves the blade to the preset measurement.
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People put their hand on the bible, and swear to uphold the constitution. They do not put their hand on the constitution, and swear to uphold the bible.
posted on November 29, 2006 08:31:22 PM new
By the way Linda - your dot idea would actually be a great deal more expensive than just changing the size since you are talking about embossing which would mean creating embossing dies the size of the parent sheet (the full size sheet that currency in printed on) and a second run to enable the embossing. different sizes is by far the easiest and most economical.
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People put their hand on the bible, and swear to uphold the constitution. They do not put their hand on the constitution, and swear to uphold the bible.
posted on November 29, 2006 08:52:58 PM new
I disagree fenix. By the way....welcome back.
There is no need to make our bills different sizes nor to color them differently, imo.
Because people are blind....doesn't mean they're stupid.
I've seen different ways blind people fold their bills according to what demonination they have.
There is really no reason to change a thing, imo.
It's a waste of taxpayer dollars.
I hope this judge gets overruled.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 29, 2006 09:10:10 PM new
LOL...and profe, I wasn't going to mention that....but since you did....you're correct....he is.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 29, 2006 09:58:18 PM new
the can do the fold if they have omeone to tell them what the bill is but should you really have to depend on the honesty of a clerk to know f the change they gave you is correct when changing the size is so simple? We are the only country that does not do such a thing. somehow I get the idea that even you know there is no logical reason not to do it. you just resent someone pointing out that the US is behind the world on an issue that should be so obvious.
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People put their hand on the bible, and swear to uphold the constitution. They do not put their hand on the constitution, and swear to uphold the bible.
posted on November 29, 2006 11:29:04 PM new
Like I said fenix....just because people happen to be blind....doesn't mean they're stupid. They don't have to depend on ANYONE to keep their cash straight. Plus we now have debit cards...etc.
Some people who aren't blind....are stupid and woulnd't be able to cope themselves - so they think others CAN'T, when they can.
You may FALSELY attribute whatever motives YOU imagine....but I've already given **MY** reasons for finding this expense totally un-necessary. Period.
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According to today's WA Times....:
"Government lawyers argued that changing the size of currency could cost up to $228 million in initial costs and $52 million annually to make currency in different sizes. The least expensive change, adding a raised numeral, would cost $45.5 million initially and $16 million annually. The government estimated it would have to spend another $70 million to $90 million in public education for any changes."
edited to add: It was in the WA Times that I had read about the counterfeiting.
"Government attorneys argued that adding texture or changing the size of bills would be costly and make it harder to prevent counterfeiting."
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 29, 2006 11:51 PM ]
posted on November 29, 2006 11:54:57 PM new
Well now linduh is an expert on being blind! WOW! (NOT)
And yes, I bet the judge IS a liberal.
Because a Fascist anti-America neocon "christian" like linduh only cares about herself and her money....NOTHING and NO ONE else. She (or more precisely, IT) could never feel any sympathy, or empathy, towards another human, being so far removed from humanity herself.
Help her country through CONTRIBUTING to it...NOT linduh!
Oh, it's OK to throw billions into Iraq buying execs at Halliburton embroidered towels but help those who could use help....nope, won't catch that "christian" helping the less fortunate!
posted on November 30, 2006 06:53:18 AM new
just because people happen to be blind....doesn't mean they're stupid. They don't have to depend on ANYONE to keep their cash straight. Plus we now have debit cards...etc.
And you know this how? Perhaps we should ban those annoying service dogs too. Most blind people are smart enough to make it across the street without getting killed. I know tax payers don't have to pay for the dogs, but why should blind people have any assistance. Tough it out, be independent!
Linda, your lack of empathy never ceases to amaze me. Changing the bills to be more identifiable, would allow blind people to become even more independent. As Fenix pointed out, it would involve minimal cost.
It is a waste of tax payer money to help blind people become more independent, but heck let's throw billions into a war started under false pretenses. Our priorities are screwed up.
posted on November 30, 2006 10:30:34 AM new
coincoach:
It only appears that way to those who continually like to reach into the pocketbooks of OTHERS....and keep spending THEIR money - and there's always some 'good' reason that can be found.
I support SMALL government....not GROWING government. I support STATES taking care of their 'wants'. This isn't a 'need'. There will always be a ton of things we can spend our money on....the list is NEVER ending.
BUT...anyone who truly supports our Constitution and KNOWS what they were limited in doing, under the same, knows it doesn't call for 99% of what it appropriates funds for NOW.
And WAR is one of them....all these other 'feel good' expendures AREN'T.....and can be dealt with by private donations to causes people support.
This, of course, would make their lives easier.....but as I said, we could continue to fund all sorts of things to make lives easier....but it isn't NEEDED.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 10:51:58 AM newI just feel this cost is totally un-necessary....the blind have survived quite well all these years that our bills have been this way. And it's a cost in war time I don't believe we need to be spending to change the presses around.
Just think what the U.S. could have done with the money that was wasted on the War in Iraq.
Linda doesn't mind spending billions and billions to help a foreign people but to help people in this country she can care less. I bet her religion taught her this.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on November 30, 2006 11:00:47 AM new
linduhfascist, """This, of course, would make their lives easier.....but as I said, we could continue to fund all sorts of things to make lives easier....but it isn't NEEDED""
Yup, if LINDUH doesn't need it then it's NOT a need.....what a jackass!
And linduh taxes come out of EVERYBODY's pocket not just YOURS.
YOU will be delighted to hear that your close friends, the Muslims, are refusing to give taxi rides to the blind who have seeing eye dogs....that outta get a good chuckle from the likes of YOU!
posted on November 30, 2006 11:03:42 AM new
Again, I will state it comes from your OWN ignorance .....so because YOU aren't aware of what people with ALL sorts of disibilities are given - what they can do - how educated many are....then you blame me for your own lack of knowledge.
Might be better to educate yourselves ....things have changed a lot in the last 20-25 years.
Most disabled people are quite capable of taking better care of themselves....than most on welfare can.
[b]Blind World Magazine
Most Disabled Americans Have Jobs[/b].
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER,
The Associated Press.
Friday, May 12, 2006.
WASHINGTON -- More than half the nation's disabled people hold jobs, but they often have lower incomes and less education and are less likely to have health insurance than people without disabilities, the government said Friday.
Nearly one in five Americans _ about 51 million people _ had physical or mental disabilities in 2002, according to the Census Bureau. About 33 million of them had severe disabilities.
The likelihood of disabilities, not surprisingly, increased with age:
Fewer than one in 10 people 15 and younger had a disability, while more than half of those 65 and older _ and 72 percent of those 80 and older _ had them.
"The primary obstacle that people with intellectual disabilities face is the attitudes of people around them," said Chris Privett, a spokesman for The Arc, a service and advocacy group for people with disabilities. "Once people understand that someone with an intellectual disability is not as different from anyone else as they would assume, things get simpler."
The Census Bureau surveyed 26,800 households for the report, asking people about their health and if they had difficulty performing various tasks, said Sharon Stern, chief of the bureau's poverty and health statistics branch.
People were classified as disabled if they had difficulty performing tasks such as seeing, hearing, bathing or doing light housework, or if they had conditions such as Alzheimer's disease or autism.
They were considered to have severe disabilities if they were unable to perform any of those tasks, or if they had severe cases of specific conditions.
About 56 percent of disabled adults, ages 21 to 64, had jobs in 2002.
Among those with severe disabilities, 43 percent had jobs.
"People are starting to look more at people's abilities instead of their disability," Privett said. "But in the advocacy community, our work is far from finished."
The first President Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, outlawing discrimination against people with disabilities and promising them access to buildings, services and transportation.
Since then, schools have added elevators, private companies have erected Braille signs and employers have been prohibited from denying jobs to disabled workers.
Karen Wolffe, director of professional development at the American Foundation for the Blind, credits the law with raising awareness of people with disabilities.
"I can remember when I was a kid. We didn't have cutouts in the sidewalk for people with wheelchairs," Wolffe said. "Now, people are accustomed to Braille in the elevators and they are accustomed to ramps."
Wolffe, however, said many employers still are wary of hiring disabled workers because they are worried about getting sued if they later discipline them or deny them a promotion.
Among working age adults who were blind or had limited vision, 55 percent had jobs in 2002, according to the census report.
Among all working age adults, 83 percent had jobs.
Among the report's other findings:
_The median income _ the point at which half make more and half make less _ was $12,800 for people with severe disabilities,
$22,000 for those with milder disabilities and $25,000 for those with no disabilities.
_22 percent of adults ages 25 to 64 with severe disabilities had college degrees,
while 33 percent of those with milder disabilities had degrees and
43 percent of those with no disabilities had degrees.
_19 percent of adults ages 25 to 64 with severe disabilities had no health insurance.
About 17 percent of those with milder disabilities had no insurance, while 16 percent of adults with no disabilities were without health insurance.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 30, 2006 11:24 AM ]
posted on November 30, 2006 11:05:37 AM new
Oh, and it's really ugly to see your anti-troop attitude raising it's ugly head.
There are maimed and mutilated troops coming back from Iraq...some are even blind....and YOU don't want to support their recovery!
After all, if they were truly independent they could just crawl and they wouldn't need that wheel chair YOUR taxes pay for would they , linDUH ?
According to YOU they don't really need those artificial arms YOU have to pay for ...according to YOUR philosophy if they were smart they wouldn't NEED them.
How do you sleep at night????
posted on November 30, 2006 11:28:56 AM new
More VOMIT from Sybil.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 11:38:25 AM new
LOL! You're right, linduh, you HAVE NO defense for your attitudes about those less fortunate...
BTW, the topic was NOT whether the disabled had jobs or not.....it was about your selfishness, greed, lack of concern for anyone beside yourself, your anti-troop sentiment, your pure nastiness....
posted on November 30, 2006 11:46:08 AM new
A blind soldier is no longer good enough to be sent back to fight the never-ending wars that Linda lusts for so she wouldn't want to waste her tax dollar to make his or her life better in even the smallest way.
The money being spent on the wars is only causing more misery for the foreign people so Linda would relish that part of it. She has no interest in improving the lives of those in her own country so no way she wants those in any other country to have it better. Look how upset she gets here when any positives are mentioned about another country....... in return she flies into a rage and she will google every negative thing she can find on them.
Knowing others are less fortunate than she is raises her own status in her eyes and makes her feel superior. She's ignorant so it's all she's got going for her.
posted on November 30, 2006 12:00:08 PM new
You're right, Kiara, and now she'll try to hide this thread by starting a bunch of Democrat bashing threads
Well, it didn't do her any good with the last election and won't with the next one either.....let the hate filled lonely old bag keep a spittin' and a sputterin'.
It's all she's got
posted on November 30, 2006 12:52:22 PM new
Good God, LOLinda. You do sound like a selfish person.
Many European countries already are doing what's proposed here. Sure, the changeover would cost a bit, but ultimately it makes us a better, more caring country.
posted on November 30, 2006 12:55:36 PM newMost disabled people are quite capable of taking better care of themselves....than most on welfare can.
I wonder if Linda will want to sponsor a bill that will take away service dogs from blind people. Just think of all that money that could be saved if the American people did not have to waste training service dogs for blind people and people with other disabilities.
Might be better to educate yourselves ....things have changed a lot in the last 20-25 years.
Yes, Linda they have changed because of advances in technology that have made it easier for people with disabilities to make it in society. These advances in technologies have also made it possible for those soldiers with war injuries to COME HOME ALIVE instead of being KILLED IN ACTION. It is the same technology that allows our wounded soldiers to be productive members of society and get by without help. I guess you would rather take this away from them because it costs to much money.
You are such an ingrate.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on November 30, 2006 01:13:33 PM new
"Again, I will state it comes from your OWN ignorance .....so because YOU aren't aware of what people with ALL sorts of disibilities are given - what they can do - how educated many are....then you blame me for your own lack of knowledge."
Pardon me, but throwing out that accusation is getting old. Why do you think you are the only educated/intelligent one here? (needless to say, I disagree with that!) You think you are an expert on everything and haven't learned anything since the Civil War. I would keel over if I ever heard you say "Hmm, that's interesting. I didn't know that."
How insulting to state in virtually every post how ignorant everyone else is. I am not ignorant or uneducated. In fact I am quite intelligent. My only problem is that I do not agree with you. If we are lucky, we learn new things til the day we die. You should try it some time.
posted on November 30, 2006 03:12:27 PM new
ROFLOL.....looks like I SURE touched a nerve in a few liberals.
Truth hurts...and liberals can NEVER see any way of paying for ANYTHING except to turn to BIG BROTHER.
Well....guys....big brother is 'joe taxpayer'. And it's the liberals way of life.....steal from others and use THEIR money on what you decide you want it spent on. Some call it 'redistribution of income'....but it's nothing more than legal THEFT.
How about you spend your own money on what you want to and the rest of us overtaxed taxpayers will do the same.
All the BIG corporations you're always SCREAMING about.....ARE the ones who make HUGE donations to help those who need it, just like the inst. for the blind. As do other people who choose to donate their funds to certain causes.
Charity is GIVING. Taxation is NOT GIVING....it's FORCED.
And coincoach - I say that because that's what I see coming from MOST on the left here. When anyone reads their statements it's VERY CLEAR they haven't a CLUE as to the FACTS.....not MY opinions....the FACTS.
We don't NEED to spend those millions of dollars for not quite a million blind people. They have ways they deal with their money/funds....and this is an un-necessary expense.
If they can get themselves off to work.....support themselves....then they're QUITE capable, IMO, of taking care of sorting their own cash.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
