posted on December 15, 2006 01:55:41 PM new
There they go again. The ACLU Filed an Amicus Brief in the case of a suit against a New Jersey School district. The school district stopped a student from singing a Christian Song in an after school talent show. The show was stated to be open to any "G rated act." The Student filed suit and the ACLU Filed a brief Supporting the student's right to sing a blatantly Christian Song. Since the talent show was after school and advertised as being open to all G rated acts, it was not state sponsored. Thus, by stopping the child from singing, they prevented her free speech in a forum not protected by the establishment clause.
That Darn ACLU. They protect Nazi's and Christians... What next, the Jews?
posted on December 15, 2006 02:02:47 PM new
My goodness, and here Linda told me they were a bunch of God hating Communists who were actively seeking to get every last vestige of religion thrown out of public schools. Hard to believe she coulda been mistaken...
ARE YOU SURE THOSE ARTICLES ARE RIGHT??
Could it be a DIFFERENT ACLU??
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posted on December 15, 2006 02:21:13 PM new
I think what SOME might not understand is that the 'ACLU' is NOT just one group. There are many in all the states throughout our Nation. And of course the ones that are 'stationed' in more conservative places will support more conservative positions. And the same thing in the reverse. Those in liberal states work against what those in conservative states do.
And yes profe...they were founded by communists and imo I have no doubt many still run the organizations. To believe differently would be like me saying one judge in San Francisco is ultra conservative. Who cares when most all the other are ultra liberals.
posted on December 15, 2006 02:36:33 PM new
Are you saying the New Jersey is a conservative state? The ACLU is national with state offices. It would be the state office that handled this one.
posted on December 15, 2006 02:48:08 PM new
Just to clarify, According to ACLU Fights for Christians, they have filed in cases in
LA
GA
RI
MI
NJ
NM
WA
IL
MO
OH
OR
NV
NB
MA!
VA
FL
IA
AZ
PA
And has even filed a brief in support of Falwell.
This all from 5 minutes research from one website. By the way, it makes sense that the ACLU was founded by communists. There is no other group who has had its civil liberties stomped on more than the Communists except perhaps the Socialists. An organization that protects civil liberties and freedom in general would be useful. The fact that the ACLU has filed in cases for Nazi's, skin heads, the KKK and other groups shows that its mission is to protect liberties, not communists.
posted on December 15, 2006 02:55:59 PM new
Lets see, whose civil rights are stepped on more, Christians or Atheists? Who has more trouble insuring their rights to speak, the Communist or the Republican? Who is more likely to be attacked for putting their opinion in the marketplace of Ideas, a Fascist or a Democrat. The entire reason for the existence of the ACLU is to protect the center by insuring the rights of the fringe. There are more fringe atheists than Christians. In fact, you could easily make the case that by being an Atheist, you are fringe. To say the ACLU doesn't protect Christians is false. It protects them by insuring the Jews, The Mormons (who are Christians... but whatever), the 7th day Adventists (more Christians), Atheists, and agnostics. The police officer has to protect everyone from everyone. The Atheists need to be protected from the Theists during the school day, just as the church needs to be protected from the government on Sunday. You can not separate one from the other.
posted on December 15, 2006 03:16:47 PM new
The reason one can't just post...here's a list of all they defended....is because when anyone actually READS all those cases....9 times out of 10 it had nothing to DO with 'defending' Christians...but rather that it was some other 'constitutional right' the aclu was defending that just happened to be a Christian.
There is a huge difference.
And these groups here were all founded to FIGHT the aclu and it's constant efforts to REMOVE all mention of God/crosses/etc from the public domaine.
the ADF (Alliance Defense Fund),
the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice),
the PJI (Pacific Justice Institute),
and the AFJI (American Family Justice Institute)
These groups are NOT defending lawsuits because the aclu is DEFENDING Christians or their rights....just the opposite in fact.
Plus from what I've read in the past two to three months....the aclu is having difficult getting lawyers to work for them...AND that the Fed. gov is considering removing funding from them.
But I understand...there are some that just refuse to see what the aclu is trying to accomplish. Or they support their actions.
I don't happen to be one of them and I give generously to the ACLJ....who fights against the aclu all the time.
Might want to spend some time on any of the sites I listed. Might give you a whole new perspective on how the aclu has pretty much declared war on Christians....while leaving other religious groups alone.
Meanwhile the aclu defends all the totally dispicable groups like NAMBLA instead.
sick...totally sick. And has no value to our society.
posted on December 18, 2006 02:04:46 PM new
Dejapooh: The fact that the ACLU has filed in cases for Nazi's, skin heads, the KKK and other groups shows that its mission is to protect liberties, not communists.
Crybaby_K: Meanwhile the aclu defends all the totally dispicable groups like NAMBLA instead. sick...totally sick. And has no value to our society.
So Linda believes that groups only can speak when it doesnt offend people. She is the first to get bent out of shape when her freedom of speech was taken away, but won't allow that same freedom to other groups that promote hate.
Dejapooh you are correct taht the the mission of the ACLU is to protect our civil rights regardless of what they are actually promoting. The ACLU does not back the individual messages these hate groups are promoting, but rather they back the fact these hate groups have the right to say what they want.
ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations (8/31/2000)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.
It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 19, 2006 07:55:09 AM new
I think Crybaby_k should hire the ACLU to start a lawsuit against Vendio in addition to her lawsuit against the OTWA. If she comes back she will be complaining her 1st amendmment rights were violated for not being able to spew her hate.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 27, 2006 05:39:18 PM new
It is sad the holiday did not last forever.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 29, 2006 09:04:10 PM new
That darn liberal commie ACLU !!!
ACLU-NJ Wins Republican Candidates' Right to Political Speech
For Immediate Release
February 10, 2005
Newark - The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey (ACLU-NJ) announced today that it successfully obtained a court order dismissing a libel suit filed against the Piscataway Republican Organization and its recent slate of candidates for township offices. The suit against the Republicans was filed by the Piscataway Democratic Organization and centered on language used on campaign billboards and fliers."""
