posted on November 15, 2000 08:35:57 AM new
But before his exit manifesto, he's got one last pitch to make:
Dear Friends:
Lawyers are expensive! But as I fight for the education of your children, for Medicare, for the environment, and work to build a bridge to the 21st Century, it would mean a lot to me if I could count on your financial help.
Won't you please join my Presidential Apology Circle, to keep my agenda moving forward?
For a one-time donation of $25,000, Tipper and I will welcome you to our home for a coffee reception, during which we will both apologize to you and up to four of your guests.
At the $10,000 level, you will be invited to an evening reception at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., for a photo-opportunity and a signed apology card.
At the $5,000 level, I will personally call you and apologize over the phone.
Remember: though this apology is long overdue, it isn't free. Our party and I need you more than ever.
Very best regards,
A federal lawsuit filed here Monday says George W. Bush and Dick Cheney can't legally claim Texas' 32 electoral votes because both are inhabitants of the state -- a violation of the 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
[ edited by mrpotatoheadd on Nov 15, 2000 09:27 AM ]
posted on November 15, 2000 10:32:02 AM new
Well, I wonder which residence Cheney "writes off" on his income tax returns as his primary mortgage, Wyoming or Texas. Oh, I forgot, he probably doesn't owe any mortages, like us little people.
posted on November 15, 2000 10:39:29 AM new
So if the TEXAS electors couldn't vote for Bush and Cheney because both of them are inhabitants of Texas / so says 12th Amendment---would they vote for Bush & Libermann---Gore & Cheney--- Gore & Libermann---Bush & Gore--Gore & Bush????
Seems kind of under-handed to think they thought that no one would notice or care (which they wouldn't have if this hadn't happened) that they fiddled with his 'residiency' so as to qualify to run as Vice-Prez.
Edited for grammar
[ edited by Zazzie on Nov 15, 2000 10:50 AM ]
posted on November 15, 2000 11:15:55 AM new
"L. Amendment 12
(Ratified July 27, 1804)
The Electors shall meet in their respective States and vote by ballot for President and Vice President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same State with themselves"
This could be interpreted to mean that at least one of the choices of Pres/VP must be from another state. Gore and Lieberman are not from Texas, so they seem to satisfy the requirement. I would guess this provision was to keep one state from having a monopoly on the entire election.
This is getting no coverage in the media, which has been so slanted, it would be plastered all over the place if it had any merit.
Edited to add
To me, the critical portion of this text is the "at least". If it was meant to mean the Pres/VP pairing only, how could more than one be from a different state than the other?
[ edited by hopefulli on Nov 15, 2000 11:44 AM ]
Cheney, who has been coordinating Bush's search for a running mate and was at his meeting with Danforth, has in the meanwhile also emerged as a leading contender.
Cheney, 59, has changed his voter registration from Texas to Wyoming, clearing a constitutional hurdle to a Bush-Cheney
ticket. According to the 12th Amendment, passed in 1804, the electors cannot vote for a president and vice president residing in
the same state.
For the past few years Cheney has lived in Texas, but served in Congress as a Republican representative from Wyoming, being re-elected five times. Earlier in his political career Cheney was a White House
staff assistant during the Nixon administration and was White House Chief of Staff under President Gerald Ford.
In 1989, President George Bush tapped Cheney for defense secretary. He was a key policy player in the Gulf War and it was Cheney who picked Gen. Colin Powell to head the joint chiefs of staff.
GOP sources tell CNN that Cheney fits the criteria Bush is looking for: instantly presidential; loyal; and he and the
Texas governor have "good chemistry."
One friend says that Cheney loves being a retired politician. But asked how Cheney would greet an offer to join the Bush ticket, he said, "Cheney's a loyal guy ...
and he's come to like the governor."
posted on November 15, 2000 01:17:14 PM newhe probably doesn't owe any mortages, like us little people
Do you honestly think "big people" actually pay cash for their property, or own it outright? Or that that's even a worthwhile goal?
This is why my mother's retired widow friends have to keep the thermostat at 55 this winter. They have no liquidity, no investments, not a nickel in the checking account - but boy, they paid off that mortgage, so they must be doing OK. Mom, OTOH, just sold the homestead, bought a smaller house at 3% down, invested the proceeds from the homestead sale at a considerably higher rate of return than she's paying in mortgage interest, and is doing very well, thank you.
posted on November 15, 2000 01:17:30 PM new
When big daddy Bush was running for the presidency there was a big stink down here in Texas because he was claiming to be a resident of Texas and using a hotel room as his residency address.
A lot of Texans didn't consider him a Texan either.He owned a house in Maine but not in his "home" state of Texas.
Personnally, I figured out a long time ago that the days of politicians fighting for their home state are gone by the way side.
They move to where they think they will get the most votes and best position to aquire power. The Kennedy's did it the Bush's did it and if we look around I'm sure we will find many many more have done it.
We live in a society where if there is a better job on the oppisite coast you move there. Why expect anything different form the politicians?
posted on November 15, 2000 01:26:28 PM new
I just wish they'd get it over with because frankly I'm sick and tired of having to listen to that arrogant and pompous old coot James Baker. Also weary of Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and Dan Rather interrupting TV programs with "Special Reports" that really aren't so special. Heck, just now NBC interrupted Judge Judy. And yesterday CBS cut into Ashley's hospital bed wedding on "Young and the Restless." What nerve.
posted on November 15, 2000 02:16:12 PM new
Actually, HCQ, you're quite right. I used to work in mortgage loans, and people might be quite surprised that the "very wealthy" often buy their homes outright rather than take a mortgage. Usually these people are "corporations" and these homes are written off in other ways such as business expenses for entertaining, executive lodging etc. And there's a number of ways to make get better returns on investments than 7 or 8% annual mortgage interest write-offs, if one has the money to invest. Yep, it's a whole different world than ebayers who use their auction proceeds to help pay their electric bill.
posted on November 15, 2000 03:39:42 PM new
What about all those people who mistakenly voted for Buchanan due to the poorly designed ballot forms? I'm not hearing anything about that angle anymore. Has a decision been made regarding those thousands of votes?
posted on November 15, 2000 04:07:20 PM new
spaz,
Eyebrow lady gets to make that decision and interestingly and not suprisingly she has donated thousands of dollars to the Bush campaign as reported right now on NBC and she is rumored to be up for an appointment on the Bush team if he is elected. A little conflict of interest... naw not from Jeb and the boys.
posted on November 15, 2000 04:08:52 PM new
They now report that because of the conflict she was asked to step aside but she refused - hmmm little miss likes the power. - Just fix the eyebrows so I do not go dizzy looking at ya.
You're absolutely right. The minor amounts gained by keeping mortgage debt burning holes in your pocket are both insignificant and unreliable. I'd say PARTICULARLY unreliable just now and in the next few years.
I didn't start making money until I had both of my two house's mortgages paid off because the monies released from those earn more and in a much more varied market than the supposed advantages ever did. As to the tax advantage--big deal. You can write off the mortgage interest and realize a percentile savings each year, but now with both of those houses rented they not only realize a nice sum each month but their entire costs plus the depreciation values are all deductible and very-nicely-thank-you also offset the largest portion of the years capital gains on investments.
Not that any discussion of such things EVER had much to do with the subject (if there is one) of this thread.
posted on November 15, 2000 04:45:11 PM new
She's not only up for a job with Bush:
Dear Ms. Harris:
Shortly after I sent you my earlier suggestion of recusal, I read a story which said that you will be an elector if Bush wins the Florida election. As you know, the voters in presidential elections do not vote for the presidential candidate - we vote for the electors. That means that you are the candidate on the Florida ballot and that you are deciding matters regarding an election in which you are a candidate. If you cannot see the patent conflict of interest thus presented, I am sure there are many judges who will point it out to you.
Sincerely yours, Charles Anthony Daughtrey, Attorney at Law
posted on November 15, 2000 04:50:34 PM new
When you have Republicans & Democrats squaring off, it doesn't really matter WHO is calling the shots. 99.9% of the Officials (whether it's elected Republican Secretaries of State or Democratic appointed judges) are going to fall into either party. You just have to figure that decisions are going to go one way or the other depending on who is asking for what.
What you have to determine is if the decisions that are made follow the rule of law or if they are arbitrary. If the law reads one way, then that's what it has to be. Trying to circumvent state or federal laws to get a decision to go your way is wrong.
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