I do NOT want any replys from the democrats..just some talk among fellow republicans this time around.
I don't know about you..but I am so ANGRY right now ...as we all are...and I don't know WHERE/HOW to direct this anger in a healthy fashion.
I WANT to be able to have MY voice heard..to stand up and say 'WAIT A MINUTE...I COUNT TOO!
Does any REPUBLICANS have any constructive ideas on what I can do to help out this situation and Gov. Bush?
I've written to everyone...called talk shows etc...and I feel todays ruling is a gut wrenching full blow to the gut.
I lived in Wash. DC for a while(husband was in the Air Force) and I never knew PREJUDICE until I lived there. I was soooo shocked to feel the HATE and ANGER the blacks felt for ALL WHITE PEOPLE.
The reason I bring that up is I'm feeling that same RAGE the Blacks had...towards democrats! I NEVER hated democrats before this circus of the last 2 weeks and the way they are MANIPULATING to steal the election.
But I HATE them now! I don't want to be governed by Al Gore...he makes me gag when I see him...I LOATHE him...and what he did to the military vote SCARES ME!(I had no idea one party could have so much control over so many areas).
I need to VENT in a postive way..right now I totally understand the reason for the Civil War...a country divided so vehemently...I think we are at the cross roads again.(please no lecture about slavery..that isn't where I'm coming from).
As a 'flower child' of the 60s..I'm ready to riot in the streets like we did back then. I'm ready to DO SOMETHING...I don't want to sit back and have Gore shoved down my throat.
posted on November 21, 2000 09:08:12 PM
Gee, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought we were going to sing "For he's a jolly good fellow!". If it makes you feel any better, IMLDS2, I feel exactly the same way you do...about George Bush. I think we need to get over it.
posted on November 21, 2000 09:13:01 PM
I do not understand why someone would hate a "party". Isnt that a strong word to use? I dislike Bush very much, but hate? And to lump all human beings in a word, called party? And then HATE that party and all in it? I do not understand this at all. I dont see the comparison of the bigotry of black and white, either.
Now I have that song in my head "Its my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to"
[ edited by FrannyS on Nov 21, 2000 09:14 PM ]
posted on November 21, 2000 09:14:37 PM
Hi Robin! Maybe we ought to wait and see who won before we start singing. I was going to say "I feel your pain," but then I thought it might not be a good idea right now.
posted on November 21, 2000 09:14:38 PM
Have I missed something? Even if they allow Florida to count the pregnant chads, dimpled chads, etc., etc....couldn't some of them be for Bush? It's not time to throw in the towel yet, is it? I just don't get this...everyone I know or have spoken to voted for Bush! I don't want Gore in the Oval Office either...he's an egomaniac! "Will of the people" my hiney! It's the will of Al Gore...now THAT is scary!
posted on November 21, 2000 09:20:33 PM
I KNOW hate is a strong word! Perhaps I should clarify the word HATE to I hate what the Democratic party is doing.
And I do know that many many dems feel the same way towards republicans. This election has divided American like the Civil War did.
As for the black thing...see...I was raised in California where there really wasn't much prejudice against blacks...
When I moved to Wash DC it was a real culture shock to be HATED because I wasn't black.(I had never realized before how deep and passionate that hatred was/is..until I lived where 80% were blacks and I was a minority.
I understand that feeling now..as I feel it towards the democratic party...
I'm being honest folks...I am choosing to NOT have democrats for friends etc...their idea of America and mine are totally different. The gap has widened so much because of this election..it's worse than Viet Nam uprisings.
posted on November 21, 2000 09:26:22 PM
IMLDS2,Let me see if I can clear something up for you. This is a message board. You have no control over who can post to any thread. Anyone who is registered at AW can post to any thread. YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE. Sorry.
If you really feel this strongly then you should go to some republican web site and post there where there will only be republicans. You are beginning to pi## me off.
posted on November 21, 2000 09:32:26 PM
I have many friends, and I have no idea if they are republican, democrat, white, part black, indian, irish, german, etc. People are people. I think what you are experiencing right now is not this mess in our government. Its something else and you should try to figure out what that something else is and get help for it. I am not being snide. Im serious.
Thanks Rawbunzel I like it here in AW.
I am not a democrat, nor a republican. I am a people.
[ edited by FrannyS on Nov 21, 2000 09:34 PM ]
posted on November 21, 2000 09:33:14 PM
IMLD, free speech is in our Bill of Rights. Thank God for the diversity in our country which allows all to express opinions, regardless of party, religion, or color!
posted on November 21, 2000 10:06:13 PM
IMLDS2 Get a grip!! That was a good suggestion that you go to a Republican site. You need to vent and I'm sure there are people there that feel the same way you do. It might help.
I think you're wrong. I don't think this election has split the country. In fact, the extremely close vote rather strongly suggests just the opposite. The people of this country don't see enough of a difference between the two candidates to have generated an overwhelming majority for either side.
Sorry, but I've lived in TX for the majority of my 40+ years, and Bush hasn't exactly been a stong leader. He's been good, but his qualifications don't make him an ideal candidate. Clearly the people of TN feel the same way about Gore.
What we need (besides a revised, and highly updated election system) are candidates from BOTH parties who show great skills at leadership, and who show a decent level of intelligence. This election, along with the last one, gave us candidates that no one really wanted. Instead of voting for a candidate that we feel can do a great job in office, the American people have been reduced to choosing the candidate that they feel will do the least amount of harm while in office.
As far as what YOU can do to change things, keep voting. Stay active in politics. Get/stay involved in voter education.
And for your sake, chill out. Choose battles whose outcome you can make a difference in. This battle will be fought in the Senate, the House, and in the Supreme Court for years to come, regardless of the current outcome.
posted on November 21, 2000 10:47:16 PM
You could always secede from the Union.
(sorry for posting to your thread, I'm a registered Democrat, see, but that's not really so much out of party loyalty as it is because I just needed to be a registered something)
JamesO said something which brought forth some thoughts I have been having. I find this election very comparable with the events leading up to the Civil War.
Thank goodness both men are from the South because this is all going to come down to state's rights. The Southern colonies and other smaller ones were very concerned with fair representation as opposed to the major colonies such as Va. etc. As time went on and slavery was bankrupting the agrarian South and the North was becoming industrialized, States Rights raised it's ugly head again and was the south's reason for the Civil War. I find it very interesting that it is happening again. I don't think the country will split but no matter what happens there will be many upset people out there.
I think a good thing will come out of this. Both parties are going to pay more attention to their constituants and find some true leaders to run for office.
I am a Republican, though I have never voted a straight ballot. In a way I almost hope Bush ends up losing because there is no doubt about it, whoever wins this election is going to be the loser in the long run. Both men are in a no win situation.
What I don't understand is that both come from political families. Both have been groomed to be in politics. I have to wonder why neither was taught how to present themselves and a platform, how to debate or how to be a masterful speaker? Any one of those things could have made a huge difference in this election.
I was furious when the Supreme Court ruling was made public, too. I thought they took the easy way out. But it "ain't" over til it's over.
Just my two cents which with the stock market adds up to zero.
Calamity
Oh and welcome to RT. You too Franny and Hi Oddish
posted on November 22, 2000 02:03:58 AM
While States Rights played a major role in bringing about the Civil War, to say this is the only cause is a bit misleading. Any war has numerous causes, good and bad, and (just my opinion), but I think States Rights do have a place in American government.
IMLDS2 - To compare the dissension that may exist now to those in which slavery existed, trivilizes slavery no matter how you feel. No one has been killed while protesting, no flags have been burned, families have not been completely divided, and most importantly our military have not been dishonored as in the Vietnam uprisings and soldiers have not lost their lives, so to say the present turmoil is worse dishonors those who died in Vietnam and at home.
Some of the people you deal with on a daily basis will be both Democrats and Republicans.
If you are an Ebay seller, will you now refuse to sell to anyone with Democratic affilitation. If you have children, will you insist they be taught by Republican teachers, will your minister be Republican, your grocery-store manager, the restaurants where you eat and the banks with which you do business all run by Republicans.
We cannot cut ourselves off from the rest of the world due to one's political affilitation, no matter how much we wish that we could do so, that position is unrealistic. I am neither Republican nor Democrat, I vote for whomever I consider the best candidate and in this race I voted for Al Gore. No matter who wins the election, the country will survive.
For what it's worth, I didn't hate Reagan but I certainly wasn't fond of him, (I won't even discuss Nancy). Yet, he didn't destroy the country, he didn't embroil the United States in another World War, and the country was pretty much the same when he left office as when he came into office. I suspect the same will be true of the next President.
posted on November 22, 2000 03:48:56 AM
My Dad always said don't discuss religion or politics, unless you're trying to start an argument. I have a lot of friends and I really don't know how they vote. I don't vote a straight party ticket myself. I vote for the person, not the party. I see some good and some bad on each side. All I want now is this thing to be over. I used to care who got elected but at this point, I just want someone to be president elect. You need to Chill.
posted on November 22, 2000 05:06:11 AM I don't know about you..but I am so ANGRY right now ...as we all are...and I don't know WHERE/HOW to direct this anger in a healthy fashion.
Why are you making this a priority in your life?
Turn off the TV!
Don't open political threads!
Don't read newspapers, etc.!
Don't join a political chat board! (why feed your anger?) Unless, of course, you enjoy being in that state.
posted on November 22, 2000 05:10:39 AMDemocrats....please....don't post here.
What an absolutely clever way to guarantee a long thread. And I'll try to remember to post only on Friday's cause that's my day for thinking like a republican.
What we need (besides a revised, and highly updated election system) are candidates from BOTH parties who show great skills at leadership, and who show a decent level of intelligence
I agree, but the problem is that anyone with a decent level of intelligence(like Powell) refuses to run.
posted on November 22, 2000 05:22:25 AMI agree, but the problem is that anyone with a decent level of intelligence(like Powell) refuses to run.
After repeatedly watching what is done to any candidate, there is no way I'd ever run for any office. The best and brightest of this Country don't want to go through all of that either. Which is why we now have a run-off between these two bozos.
posted on November 22, 2000 05:33:11 AM
First of all: I'm a registered Republican. Was a Dem for about a decade, but like most folks who follow the natural aging process, my world-view evolved and I found that, despite its soapbox being commandeered by the minority-but-oh-so-vocal religious right beginning in the '80s, fundamentally, Lincoln's party, if not the statements of its noisiest members, was closer to my beliefs.
So I guess I'm "qualified" to post here.
jada put into words my own opinions better than I could have wished.
imlds, your comparing a minor, if unprecedented, political catfight to the complex issues surrounding the causes of the Civil War demonstrates a profound lack of understandiing of American History. It also gives us a scale on which to judge the depth of thinking that resulted in the rest of your remarks.
posted on November 22, 2000 05:57:42 AM
IMLDS2: sounds like your a candidates ideal voter.
The whole idea during a political campaign is to work your voters up into the "their not like us, they'll ruin this country " mode and get them beating their chests like a bunch of gorilla's doing a territorial mambo.
"I'm being honest folks...I am choosing to NOT have democrats for friends etc...their idea of America and mine are totally different."
You may be being honest but I'd venture the opinion that your not being fair, logical or kind.
I have friends on both sides of this issue.
To a man they have all admitted that if the tables were turned they would want a recount too. They also want the same things for their country. A safe place to raise their children ,good jobs and great education for all.
One of the best ways to kill a predjudice is to look inside yourself and find out how
much alike you are to the people you are choosing to hate.
People are more important than politics. I would never choose or abandon a friend because of thier political party.
I have to agree with femme...Go for a walk.
Read a book. (Try the Diary of Anne Frank.....it'll make you see that waiting a little while for the election results is not the worst thing that can happen in this world)
Chill.
