posted on January 25, 2001 05:19:49 AM
If his position is stronger than he let on big surprise jack. It would be no surprise if he turns out to be completely reversed on an issue. These people will do and say anything to get the office. Notice I did not say get elected. Although that is one way.
posted on January 25, 2001 06:02:10 AM
This is early?
There's a lot of editorial comment on the issue, as I'm sure was expected. Maybe Boy George plans to go AWOL for the last three and half years of his term so wants to cram al of his agenda into the first 100 days. He does have a history of doing that.
posted on January 25, 2001 10:12:49 AM
This is a "second-hand" form of World Genocide...To not provide help desperately needed in countries where millions die of famine, aids, illnesses brought on by malnutrition, is the worst crime of all, when prevention by whichever means is crucial. Education should come first; but when it is too late, altnernatives are paramount!
So many children will die in their first few months to first year anyway...To allow a life to come about, KNOWING the little body will soon be ravaged by disease is much more of a criminal act than ENDING a pregnancy.
How about desparate women right here, in this country, who abandon babies in GARBAGE DUMPS, for goodness sake!!!!
That man is criminal. With all my heart, and all my venom, I wish him the worst 4 years any President has ever experienced.
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posted on January 25, 2001 10:16:31 AM
Shoshanah, I'm with you. It's all about a principle without consideration of consequences. Selfish self-righteousness.
Edited to remove repetitive and repeated reduncancies
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posted on January 25, 2001 10:24:13 AM
Up here where I live, many voted for him (and even thought what he did to get into office was A-OK) because they thought that "Gore wus gonna take our guns away". That's all they care about - getting to keep their guns. Forget that their lifestyles will be impacted by a crappy economy - that after he's done with abortion rights he could turn on many of the programs people up here depend on such as WIC and Healthy Start health care for our kids - they just had to keep their guns.
Yippee.
It's hard for me to live up here, with attitudes such as those. I'm not one who thinks no one should be allowed their guns - I don't care one way or the other (although I will admit to thinking that semi-automatic weapons in the hands of "regular folks" is pretty stupid). But there were far bigger issues at stake in this election - such as whether or not our children will be able to eat meat at dinner, or be surviving on rice and beans for the next four years.
I gotta stop visiting these political threads. I love 'em, but they are making me crazy with frustration!
posted on January 25, 2001 10:28:58 AM
Thanks RainyBear...I am so fuming angry!!!!
As a Jew, I do not endorse abortion; however, HELPING the human race, in whichever way one can, is a worldwide tradition. Personal Scruples should never over-shadow Sanity and what is RIGHT!
THAT SHADOW OF A MAN IS A CRIMINAL!
Sorry, had to edit: I am so angry I cannot even type
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posted on January 25, 2001 10:35:34 AM
Yeah they passed that "Gore will take your guns" crap here in PA too, but thank goodness the metros voted for Gore. Most of rural PA where I live voted for bush, and I can tell you our economy stinks, and our taxes keep going up and up! I would love to move to CA or OR soon, and be rid of these hicks.
posted on January 25, 2001 10:45:54 AM
Hey! Let's send all our orphans, aids- babies, babies of syphilitic parents, deformed babies, to the Pro-Life people...THEY are so kind and good, THEY won't mind raising those poor little tykes...
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posted on January 25, 2001 10:57:10 AM
Woman killers.
Unfortunately, Wisconsin has more little towns like mine than it has metro areas. Nothing like appealing to the biggest fear of the redneck to get into office and shut them out of a chance of getting ahead. Let the War on the Poor begin!
Shosh - I've often thought that too...if they can afford to offer safety and good health to these babies, they should do so. They won't - not only that, but our esteemed Mr. Shrub will be cutting funding for helping to care for the needier children of our country.
Bah. I'm taking my little munchkin off to naptime now, as soon as I take my blood pressure medicine.
Kris
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posted on January 25, 2001 10:58:02 AM
I live in PA and I can vouch for those who voted for Bush because they "didnt want to lose their guns". My stepfather and my husband's best friend were adamant about it.
I purposely avoid political threads because I dont want my blood pressure to rise sky high. I am living for the day I can say "I Told You So" to those who voted for Bushy Boy. Just hope I am not struggling to put food on the table and watching my husband search for a job after he loses his (God forbid!).
As for abortion, I am PRO-CHOICE. I am married, over 30 and love my daughter more than anything in the world. But in all honesty, if I had become pregnant and did not want another child (especially in this economy or worse as a result of a rape) then I dont want someone telling me I can't get an abortion!
Hold on tight because the next four years are going to be HELL.
posted on January 25, 2001 11:03:51 AMinside - I would too. I'm by no means pro-abortion, and in a perfect world each conceived baby would be born into a loving home, or at least into one in which he or she can be taken care of. But the sad facts are that that's not always possible, especially in third-world countries where disease and hunger are day-to-day realities. Sometimes bringing a baby into a situation like that is more cruel than kind.
posted on January 25, 2001 11:06:23 AM
Well, a good start would be to find these mothers who dump their infants in garbage dumpsters, wastebaskets, and toilets. Then maybe save some of these little ones who fall through the cracks in the system and are beat to death every single day. Politics isn't going to save these babies, no matter what the movement may tell you. Even with abortion legal, not a week goes by that there isn't a report of another baby found dead in a trash heap. Once it's made illegal, watch those numbers climb.
Much better that the pregnancy be brought to full term, so the child can have as much suffering as possible before dying, eh?
posted on January 25, 2001 11:22:23 AMHey! Let's send all our orphans, aids- babies, babies of syphilitic parents, deformed babies, to the Pro-Life people...THEY are so kind and good, THEY won't mind raising those poor little tykes...
ABSOLUTELY!!!....If they are sooooo damm interested in the "lives" of children, how about the children that already exist on this planet who desperately need help to sustain their lives??....Just one half of the monies spent on fighting pro-choice could ensure that these babies actually get a chance to live!!...Try and do something positive for these children and stay the F* away from MY BODY!
Can't even continue cause this topic makes my blood boil.
posted on January 25, 2001 11:23:40 AM
Well then I must be pro-choice. I think a woman should have the right to pierce her nipples is she desires it is her body. I also believe that a child, an unborn child, has the choice to live or die. Unfortunately they can not speak it. Perhaps we could offer a pro-choice to die to all there suffering people and if they wish to die we could just kill them off. I wonder how many would make that choice?
posted on January 25, 2001 11:25:19 AM
Based on articles I have read about anti-abortionists, to educate myself, they do not seem to be able to capture the whole picture...They only see ONE EMBRYO at a time, and totally disregard the poor babies whom no one will ever love, take care of, save from brutal parents....Pro-lifers seem to be afflicted with "tunnel vision": they can zero in on ONE CASE at a time, and are incapable of envisioning the impending disaster! WATCH MY LIPS: we all love life....real LIFE; life full of health, and love, free of disease and famine...We cannot just think of OUR perfect one or two-kid family! We have to think of the FUTURE of the babies we bring into the world, or SHOULD NOT bring into the world.
Chris...Shrub? I love it Poison Ivy Shrub....
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posted on January 25, 2001 11:35:13 AM
How long before this "choice" becomes mandatory. Once you have convinced people that "one embryo" does not a person make, once you convince them that killing an unborn is actually a blessing, how long before it becomes mandatory.
posted on January 25, 2001 11:41:23 AM
I am semi pro-choice. I don't have a problem with first trimester abortions or later in cases of rape, incest or abnormality. I would like to know your opinions on late term abortions. I'm not referring the the situations I have listed. How do you feel about late term abortion on demand?
posted on January 25, 2001 11:56:53 AM
eyeguy6 - Except in cases of great abnormality or health risk to the pregnant woman, I don't believe there's ever a reason for late-term abortion. The choice to abort a pregnancy should be made before that time, even in the case of rape or incest. JMO.
posted on January 25, 2001 12:02:55 PMeyeguy...That is really tough! So many factors come to play: I would assume that someone choosing to have a late term abortion must have very good reasons for it, and I am not there to pass judgment of that person's decision, as I do not know the history. So, for me anyway, it is impossible to generalize, as each case would have to be evaluated.
On the other hand, what bush is doing is different: he has cut-off assistance to foreign countries, the very countries who so desparately need help just so that the PARENTS can survive, let alone NEWBORNS!
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I love 'em, but they are making me crazy with frustration!
Poison Ivy Shrub....