gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 07:28:58 PM new
Thought I would make this a topic instead of wallowing off topic as usual.
I just got a new prescription for Hydrocodone which my doc was reluctant to allow me to have. However last week when I went to the doc he came in the room and I had tears running down my face. He wanted to know why and I explained I can DO anything I want by ignoring the pain but the tears are involuntary and if it hurts a certain amount they just come. I have got stuck driving a few times 'cause they blur your vision and you can't go. Seemed to convince him to do the stronger stuff. I have been using Ultrams but if 3 or 4 of those won't do anything I think you could chug the bottle and not get any more effect.
They are grooved to cut so I tried a half yesterday and could not feel any effect at all. Later I took a whole and it seemed to ease off the hurt in my knuckles a bit. This morning I was hurting pretty bad so I took 4 Ultrams and that did zilch so when I came back in from lunch and a car repair I took two with a double bourbon neat on top of the Ultrams. It did pretty good and seemed to relax me a little also - but not like heavy eyelids or sleepy just calm. He says 2 or 3 but no more than 5 in a day max.
He probably paid attention to the tears more because he knows my control level. I went in to have some tests and when he checked my blood pressure he said "Your pulse is elevated." I said sorry - I am upset about sonething. Check it again and I will run it down to about 50. So he looked at me funny and checked it again and it was 55. He said
"I'm not sure that is smart to do you know that?" Seemed to bother him. Don't know what it could hurt though. Not like I can make it stop - the most is skip one or two beats and it starts involuntary. Showed him that I could dialate and constrict my pupils voluntarily and I thought he was going to run from the room. I'd hate to see him meet a swami.
What have any of you used and have you ever had any "friends" use illegal stuff? Trouble is it might be half rat poison from cutting.
Not to mention the scum that sell it.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 07:37:21 PM new
Hey gravid  I love my Darvocet (yeah, I'm sort of an Rx junkie). I have a couple friends who would give anything to have a script for hydrocodone. My back hurts pretty much all the time, but really bad in the morning. I start the day off with about 1-1/2 Darvocet and my coffee. How many mg did your doc prescribe?
Pretty cool that you can control your pupils like that too. 
[ edited by bobbi355 on May 9, 2001 07:38 PM ]
And no matter what I say, the doc still won't give me some Valium ...... darn it, always wanted to try that stuff.
[ edited by bobbi355 on May 9, 2001 07:40 PM ]
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Hepburn
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posted on May 9, 2001 07:42:15 PM new
I have a screwed up back, and I love my vicodins (hydrocordone). But, I horde them too, since docs are so chinzy on giving them in perscriptions. Only thing I can do when my back hurts so bad is lay in the sun (carefully) or in front of a heater so the pain resides. Hate feeling fuzzy with vicodins, so try to get by in the day with nothing but heat, then pop them babies when I go to bed. Also, been messing around with accupressure too. Look it up...beats having accuPUNCTURE.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 07:45:42 PM new
Hydrocodone rocks, but my doc won't give me but 30 at a time, and she'll give me 100 Darvocet per month, so I stick with that. I like about 2 Darvocet and a couple Ativan.... ahhhh.......
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krs
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posted on May 9, 2001 07:58:02 PM new
Since the pills have limited effect unless with whiskey, why not reduce your doctor's anxiety by increasing consumption of bourbon? What he doesn't know won't hurt him and the liquor is the more effective pain reliever by far.
A little less than a half gallon a day worked for me for over twenty years, and nothing they've done since has approached the remedy offered by straight bourbon whiskey.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:01:14 PM new
Problem is if I drank a lot of liquor I'd be throwin' up all over the place. I did notice one time when I was drinking vodka and 7-Up my back felt better.
[ edited by bobbi355 on May 9, 2001 08:03 PM ]
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Hepburn
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:06:17 PM new
I dont drink, so I have to rely on the sun, heater and vicodins
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gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:07:20 PM new
The bottle says APAP 7.5/750TB
I got 60 and one refill.
Anybody know what the numbers mean?
I used to take celebrex for the arthritis but we switched to Vioxx and almost all the night cramping that would wake me up went away. Of course that means I don't get to visit nattek and the other Australians in the middle of the night.
You know it is handy to be able to pop the pupils open in the dark - I can go to full night vision in the dark in about 30 seconds - but the body won't allow you to screw up. If I try to open them in sunlight you can make things have a little glare but they snap back shut as soon as you stop trying.
I have tried turning up the thernostat in the winter but I can't get the hang of it. I have read about people in Tibet that can sleep in the snow and when they wake up it is melted way back from them radiating so much heat, but I don't know what they feel to control the feedback. Just like the pulse - I can't change it if I can't feel it or look down and see a pulse somewhere.
I believe the wife had Ativan once and they really zoned her.
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MouseSlayer
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:16:47 PM new
I started out with Hydrocodone for my back, was on it for about 7-8 months. Then it quit working (my body builds up a tolerance very quickly). Then the doc tried Darvocet. All that stuff did was make me dizzy and give me the need to lay down and hold on to the bed.  Next was Percoset, 1/2 to 1 at a time. Been on that since January. Now I eat it like candy, because once again I've built up a tolerance. I finally broke down and made an appointment with the pain control doc. I hope he comes up with something before I go totally nuts!
I have seriously thought of taking back up a habit I had as a kid. But, I smoke enough as it is.  Besides, all that stuff does now is make me queasy if I even smell it. B Whiskey is out too, it takes me 3-4 days to recover from a night of even 2-3 beers. It messes up my blood sugar something awful.
Hepburn, I've thought about accupuncture or accupressure too. Please let me know if you have any success!
What is Ativan anyway? Gravid the first number I believe is the amount of the narcotic. The second number is the acetemenophin (sp?) mg.
~^~  Hippy wannabe  ~^~
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gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:19:46 PM new
Trouble is I like to get out a lot and I won't drink and drive. I also have trouble controling my weight and the booze has too many calories. I don't have a real taste for it like some of my relatives who just crave it as alcohalics but it does seem to boost the effect of the other stuff. If I have 2 or 3 good days when the weather is warm and stable I will skip drinking anything and not even think of it. I hate to do more than a double a day. Most of the stuff tastes pretty nasty to me but bourbon has a nice taste neat. I spent a little more and got Maker's Mark last time instead of Evan Williams and I like it better.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:21:29 PM new
Gravid - I'll trade you two Darvocet for one of those Vicodin.
MouseSlayer - Lorazepam is generic for Ativan (for anxiety)
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:23:33 PM new
You sure sound like you're hurting gravid . Is it your back? What hurts?
I swear by Percodan. They are strong but since I've never heard of hydrocodone, (what do I know?) I don't know which is stronger. Straight codeine is good too. They're tiny little pills, but work magic.
Illegal stuff probably isn't as effective as prescription drugs....they're pretty powerful some of them.
You could also try smoking pot. I think it cures everything!
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MouseSlayer
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:25:08 PM new
Bobbi, I've never heard of the generic either. What does it compare to? I'm always looking for new ideas for the doc. Otherwise he'd just write me the same script all the time even after it no longer works.
~^~ Hippy wannabe ~^~
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MouseSlayer
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:26:28 PM new
Kraftdinner, the Percodan's are stronger than Vicodin (hydrocodone is the generic).
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hcross
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:27:34 PM new
[ edited by hcross on May 24, 2001 10:15 PM ]
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:28:33 PM new
MouseSlayer ... Well, I was taking Xanax (for nerves) and then told the doc that I wanted to switch to something different so she gave me lorazepam (Ativan). Xanax made me too drowsy but the Ativan does just enough for me to mellow out - then I take two at bedtime (just took my Darvocet and Ativan)
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:29:50 PM new
I'd love to have some Percodan.
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Antiquary
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:30:40 PM new
I've used hydrocodone for varying periods of time for almost seven years now. The 7.5 refers to the strength of the dosage and it is relatively high. The only other strength that I'm familiar with is the 5.0, which is quite a bit milder. Studies indicate that hydrocodone is somewhat more effective for muscularskeletal pain than other pain relievers. I've found that it renders serious pain bearable and the only side effect that I've experienced is constipation which is fairly easy to remedy.
During the last year and a half, I've only used hydrocodone when vacationing; otherwise, there would be little point in going anywhere. The rest of the time I can modify my activity to remain relatively active for short periods of time with only moderate pain which is bearable.
Something that has surprised me is that I have never developed an addiction and I've always been able to quit using it when it's no longer essential without any significant withdrawal effects. The degree of pain relief has been gradually decreasing with the last few prescriptions though, so the next time I travel, I'll request another type of painkiller.
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MouseSlayer
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:31:09 PM new
Oh ok, so Ativan is more of an anxiety rather than pain drug?
I don't hcross, sorry. But what is Butalbital?
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hcross
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:36:18 PM new
[ edited by hcross on May 24, 2001 10:15 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:36:54 PM new
Somehow I don't think we better get into trading. We are all supposed to just say no.
Once as a teenager about 14 I was seperating a number of home grown alkloids in alcohal solution and fumbled the flask into the bunsen burner where it burst. The flash fire burnt my hand third and second degree the arm second and as I jerked back a stream of burning alky ran down my arm and across my back BBQed my ear and hair on that side as it passed also. I only needed 3 steps to a safety shower with a pull ring but I was pretty crisped anyway. Made me give up flower gardening. I was a problem child.
Surprisingly there are only a few faint scars on the backs of my fingers. It was a very clean burn with no dirt or oily residue.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:37:10 PM new
I guess it's just age, but I sure seem to hurt a lot anymore. Accupuncture didn't really help much. I might look into that accupressure stuff. Course, I suppose factory work and dirt bike riding (with all the spills) didn't help the ol' bones any.
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:39:29 PM new
hcross - Have you tried Imitrex for your migraines? I've heard quite a bit of people say that it's pretty effective.
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hcross
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:39:40 PM new
I haven't hit 30 yet, a couple of more years, if this is a sign of things to come, I sure hate to see 30. Heather
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bobbi355
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:42:31 PM new
You aint seen nothin' yet Heather - wait til ya hit 47
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hcross
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:47:05 PM new
Bobbi, I just read up on Imitrex on Webmd and I am going to ask my doctor about it this week. Thank you very much, hopefully it will be the answer. Heather
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mtnmama
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:50:20 PM new
Gravid,
APAP is the generic for DarvocetN100. It contains the generic for tylenol and codeine.
Not a very potent drug. It was given to me in the hospital and at home and all it does is make me sleepy. Does nothing for the pain at all.
I take Ibuprofen for my back and lie on a heating pad or stand in a hot shower for the pain. Many times I get in the shower at 4 a.m. so I can sleep. I tried chiropractic and other drugs without much success. The only drug I really liked was Relafin, but it was bad for my stomach. I couldn't see taking a pill for taking a pill so I just quit taking both. Relafin is used for arthritis mostly, but it works on any kind of pain. Makes your bones feel like jelly. But it doesn't put you to sleep and it doesn't inhibit anything you have to do.
You're not using the vagus nerve to lower your pulse rate are you? Bad, bad, bad. Did you know you can die from doing that? Don't do it anymore..please? As far as your pupils, that's too weird and I probably would run out of the room too! LOL!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:51:54 PM new
Mouse, I think Ativan is a sleeping pill. (I think!) There's no pain medication in it.
gravid, that's hilarious! (in an explosive way)....sounds like your pain isn't affecting your sense of humour
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gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:54:48 PM new
Several of the drugs mentioned are new to me. I have never sat and done any searches online
for info.
Funny you should mention pot. I just had to shut my window because the neighbor in her condo just lite up a joint or 6 and it smells like a wet old rope burning to me.
Makes sense about the Ativan I am sure the wife got it when she was having trouble sleeping.
I have arthritis in the feet knees and elbows shoulders hips hands and have had knee surgery on the left. He'd like to do the right but the last time I was in the woman ahead of me died on the table and it kind of bothered me. She was either alergic to the local they started with or they got it in a vein by accident. Went in to immediate massive shock and never responded. I had to wait about 5 hours extra in the prep room listening to her relatives wailing like banshees, and I was freezing my butt off.
I wear a 22 /36 shirt and the gown goes about 2/3rds of the way around me. Sort of breezy.
I can still lay my hand flat on the floor standing flat footed and come up from sitting cross legged without using my hands. The doc says that is unusual given my x-rays. I told him the other patients just probably won't hurt themselves as bad as you have to to do that. Sounds like a truck running over a coke bottle when I do that.
I have no idea what the vagus nerve IS but I will go look it up. All I know is if I can see or feel a pulse I can say to myself for it to slow each beat and it responds real nice by slowing down. You do it 20 or 30 beats in a row and it stays slow pretty easy if you don't start moving around. Actually it is harder to speed up. Can't do that very well.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:55:04 PM new
krs, what happened to you to cause you to drink 1/2 gallon of bourbon every day??
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