wlaschin
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posted on August 11, 2001 07:56:30 PM new
It seems to me bidville enforces its own rules only when convenient. Is it like this at other sites?...
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RB
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posted on August 11, 2001 08:15:32 PM new
From what I can see, the other sites (assuming you mean eBay and Yahoo ... Carnaby is too young to tell!) are trying to enforce their rules but they are still losing more than they are winning.
The point is ... they are trying. They are not suddenly coming up with a suspension rule, enforcing it for one member, not posting any info about suspension times, appeals (not even responding to personal emails!), then shutting up forever and ever about folks are are committing violations much more personal, demeaning and insulting that I ever did. As a matter of fact, my beef was with Bidville, not any of it's members ... I just happened to take an unpopular stand when I encountered the porn pop-ups and I alerted "Him". I have to assume that the retaliation taken against me by "Him" and a couple of "His" cheerleaders were done simply out of frustration. No one is really happy about the direction BV is taking and things are very tense over there.
JMHO tho ...
I could explain the whole story here, but I'm not sure if I am allowed to by AW's Community Guidelines. Suffice it to say that some of the comments being made about me by the two Bidville cheerleaders here are 100% correct. But, like a guy who gets a speeding ticket because his speedometer was defective "Yes Judge, I was speeding but I have an explanation". The problem with Bidville is they publicy castrate you then block you from posting a response.
Dirty pool - just like a radio call in host who doesn't agree with his caller and cuts 'em off 'cause I'm right and there are no other opinions allowed on my show 
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RB
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posted on August 12, 2001 06:43:15 AM new
WOW!!!! I see what you mean !!!
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RB
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:59:05 AM new
I have a very interesting little story about an experiment my son conducted at Bidville. He is in his 4th year of University and one of the things he is studying is the effects of paranoia.
Although it sorta fits in with this topic, it's more about Bidville overenforcing their "rules, so, I'm not sure if I can tell it here 
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telwil
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posted on August 12, 2001 11:24:09 AM new
Even though the member did call the owner names that is not why the member was suspended. The member requested to be suspended "The member was not kickout" but asked himself to be removed.....
Bidville will find it hard to enforce the TOS they do not have a person hired to just do that job. But I would take bidville at their word if they caught you brakeing the rules they will do what they say. So the answer is dont attack people talk like a adult not a child haveing a fit. Thank goodness I dont run bidville their are several people that would be gone but I am not a nice guy.
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bidsbids
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:36:37 PM new
I think BV should take the Message Center out of operation now before the lawsuits from users start showing up at their door. The little experiment of letting anything go has failed.
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:42:41 PM new
One of the more significant problems for Bidville right now, unfortunately, is a small clique that detract from the auctionsite. That's now compounded by Bidville's return to a laissez faire attitude.
A real chaotic mess it is.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 12, 2001 12:43 PM ]
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wlaschin
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:49:33 PM new
No enforcement of rules = chaos
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telwil
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:58:16 PM new
If you check the post at bidville there is no gang alot of the posters that chat in the Cafe disagree in the other areas.
I do not believe many sellers or buyers at bidville even look at the chat boards. If you take your shoes off you can count the number of people that post there just like AW. JMO.
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wlaschin
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:00:22 PM new
No one said anything about a "gang" stick to the topic...
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telwil
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:11:01 PM new
Dimview, Said "CLIQUE" gang is the same. I will say what I wish if you dont like it just hit ignore. I hate it when someone tells me what to think dont you?
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wlaschin
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:13:34 PM new
What I hate are the "cheerleaders" getting threads locked by straying off topic
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:16:59 PM new
clique (klk, klk)
n.
A small exclusive group of friends or associates.
I see nothing wrong or incorrect about my use of clique, of course the activities of a clique are another story.
This is one of the reasons I choose not to participate on the chatboards of the auctionsites where I have listings.
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telwil
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:19:49 PM new
I believe what you hate is anyone with a opinion different from yours. I have responded to this post and explained why I said gang. And asked you to hit ignore if you dont like what I say. I guess it is hard for you to understand maby someone else can get you to see this board is for everone with any opinion even me.
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deichen
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posted on August 12, 2001 01:56:05 PM new
I believe Bidville should delete all of the message boards and use that space to allow sellers to post pictures. The message boards are a waste of space.
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RB
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posted on August 12, 2001 02:08:37 PM new
Hi telwil/wiltel ...
You wrote that Even though the member did call the owner names that is not why the member was suspended.
Firstly, it is now painfully clear that the New Rule only applies to those who take shots at the owner (perceived) or the site's operation (intended). All you have to do is look at the name calling that's going on now to see that the part about the next time any Bidville member or employee is personally attacked, the poster will be suspended with no questions asked. This goes for calling anyone else sleazy, a liar, stupid, or dumb.
There are dozens of current examples of members calling other members ignorant, liars, cheats and everything else, plus a lengthy, on-going, unmoderated discussion where an entire race is being insulted and demeaned.
So, why is "He" still tolerating this behavior?
Why hasn't the name calling been stopped?
Why are those who are violating the New Rule and getting away with it all big-time BV sellers?
Then you included this: The member requested to be suspended "The member was not kickout" but asked himself to be removed.
There is a lot more to the story about my voluntary suspension than you will ever know ... I can't really discuss it here due to Community Guidelines
Have good sales eh!
[ edited by RB on Aug 12, 2001 02:09 PM ]
[ edited by RB on Aug 12, 2001 02:10 PM ]
[ edited by RB on Aug 12, 2001 02:16 PM ]
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on August 12, 2001 03:25:25 PM new
AH YES!!!
The Cheerleaders/jocks vs. the NERDS! A classic confrontation.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
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CuFF
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posted on August 12, 2001 05:45:28 PM new
So... I'm trying to understand this thread.
Is this a thread specifically about BidVille Message Center? Does the existence of this thread not, simply by it's nature invite the business of another board onto the AW boards for discussion?
Does anyone notice how long this thread was ignored and bumped several times by the same unhappy, displaced poster just dying to get a reaction from anyone?
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
CuFF 
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RB
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posted on August 12, 2001 06:23:12 PM new
Hi Cuff ...
Is this a thread specifically about BidVille Message Center?
I think it's about Bidville's enforcement (lack of?) of their "rules" in general. The enforcement (lack of?) is done solely via their message centre, so there is a sort of connection here.
Does anyone notice how long this thread was ignored and bumped several times by the same unhappy, displaced poster just dying to get a reaction from anyone?
If you mean me, you're right and I apologize.
I honestly believe that after visiting Bidville just before I came over here, and seeing what is being allowed there in spite of the New Rule, that there is no more need to post on this. I do believe that "He" has answered the question asked in this thread by "His" actions (inactions?) against the type of stuff that is happening now ... stuff that even I would never have dreamed of saying in public.
I doubt that even a staunch Bidville cheerleader could disagree with the obvious answer to this question now.
I rest my case on this ...
Happy Bidvilling Cuff
PS: There's a lesson in there somewhere ... there sure is!
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wlaschin
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posted on August 12, 2001 06:27:10 PM new
I say nothing about the bidville boards in my post. Now the craftsale at bidville post at AW is from the boards over at bidville and should be locked.
Spread your lies elsewhere cuff...
[ edited by wlaschin on Aug 12, 2001 06:28 PM ]
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toollady
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posted on August 12, 2001 06:33:57 PM new
I think this thread is more about the integrity of the site and how rules are applied.
Not necessarily about the boards, but, rather about the general atmosphere of the site.
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:13:41 PM new
RB -- "No one is really happy about the direction BV is taking and things are very tense over there."
What is your source of information? Did you conduct a survey? Would you please post the statistical data you gathered to make the statement?
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:16:05 PM new
wlaschin >
I say nothing about the bidville boards in my post. Now the craftsale at bidville post at AW is from the boards over at bidville and should be locked.
I don't believe threads about seller-organized auctionsite sales should be locked by AuctionWatch, but Cuff could well cause that to happen given the thread hopping taking place in an effort to have other Bidville threads locked.
toollady >
I think this thread is more about the integrity of the site and how rules are applied.
Not necessarily about the boards, but, rather about the general atmosphere of the site.
Agreed.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 12, 2001 07:18 PM ]
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CuFF
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:20:03 PM new
Perhaps what this thread really exposes is the integrity of it's key posters.
What is happening at BidVille can be easily attributed to the fact that when things got deafeningly quiet here, a bitterly angry mob of nasty little-minded trolls were sent in to stir things up at BV.
Good Job Dimwittians!
CuFF
PS. Is using the label DimWittian as offensive to you as being referred to as a BidVille Cheerleader is to me?
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:24:00 PM new
WOWOW --- I am so confused ... I thought this thread was specifically about "Does bidville enforce its rules?" I see now that at least two people believe that the thread is "about the general atmosphere" at BidVille.
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MichelleG
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:29:34 PM new
Back on topic, please folks.
Michelle
[email protected]
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toollady
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:40:12 PM new
Excalibur31,
If the question is does Bidville enforce it's rules(or doesn't as the case may be), does it not speak of the overall tenor of the site?
If it is lacking in one area, is it lacking in other areas as well?
And, if it is seriously lacking in one area, does it not call the whole site, and it's general practices, into question?
We have seen the president of bidville in action on these very boards.
Granted, the posts thrown at him were harsh, but, as a representative of the company, and a professional, the responses made by him should not have been in the same vein.
He did not have to respond here, but he chose to. Diplomacy goes a long way in winning over those who were watching the slugfest take place.
I for one, was not impressed with his demeanor, as I'm sure others weren't either.
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:41:08 PM new
Excalibur131 >
WOWOW --- I am so confused ...
Not surprising.
I thought this thread was specifically about "Does bidville enforce its rules?" I see now that at least two people believe that the thread is "about the general atmosphere" at BidVille.
It looks to me that Bidville fails to enforce its user agreement, allowing deadbeats to continue bidding on auctions they have no intention of making payment; it looks to me that Bidville fails to enforce "executive orders" regarding conduct on its chatboards; and it looks to me that that has resulted in a general atmosphere at Bidville that is once again characterized by a laissez faire attitude.
toollady >
We have seen the president of Bidville in action on these very boards.
Just another piece of the "general atmosphere" puzzle.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 12, 2001 07:42 PM ]
[ edited by dimview on Aug 12, 2001 07:44 PM ]
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:56:03 PM new
toollady -- "If the question is does Bidville enforce it's rules(or doesn't as the case may be), does it not speak of the overall tenor of the site? "
No, it does not. It is a question and, as such, deserves a 'yes' or 'no' answer from each respondent. Anything more is a discourse about the subject that may or may not be related. Had the thread originator wanted to know what people felt about "the overall tenor of" BidVille they could have very easily asked 'How do you folks feel about the overall tenor of BidVile?' instead.
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bidsbids
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:57:22 PM new
Maybe AW is relaxing its standards in the BV mold. "a bitterly angry mob of nasty little-minded trolls" comment by Cuff goes unadmonished but my "I think some people here need therapy" post of a month ago got me a warning?
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